[Spellyans] UCR-Best orthography, richest vocabulary?

janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk
Wed Jun 9 22:55:26 IST 2010


Is pylarluth some sort of lord?
Jan

>----Original Message----
>From: butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com
>Date: 09/06/2010 20:36 
>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"<spellyans at kernowek.net>
>Subj: [Spellyans] UCR-Best orthography, richest vocabulary?
>
>Craig,
>
>It is heartening to see that the newest manuscript discovery seems to 
have 
>vindicated the main ideas of the 'Nancean' synthesists, if one may so 
put 
>it!
>It makes me doubt if learning the largely abandoned UCR is a waste of 
time 
>after all! UCR has the virtue of remaining very close to UC so making 
its 
>literary corpus quite accessible and also enriching the vocabulary 
base, 
>quite apart from evidently being an accurate reflection of the 
traditional 
>texts. And it seems to dovetail reasonably easily with LC from what 
Craig 
>says here.
>What do 'second generation' speakers think of UCR as opposed to UC? I 
seem 
>to remember the Chubb kids were raised with Cornish UC. Are they or 
any 
>others like them still active speakers? Or is there a phenomenon of 
second 
>generation 'fall out'? I know Welsh and Gaelic kids who, for 
whatever 
>reasons, have sadly dropped the language once they reach adulthood.
>Finally, how healthy is LC? We hear little from its proponents- apart 
from 
>Jan!
>And what does 'pylarluth' mean, for goodness sake?! Can't find it in 
any of 
>my vocabularies, very frustrating!
>
>Ewan.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org>
>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] An SWF glossary & Unified versus SWF
>
>
>>I should add that the discovery and examination of 'Bewnans Ke'  
underlined 
>>how good Nance (and Williams) were/are.  Nance had taken an  
educated guess 
>>at certain words which weren't within the available  corpus and the 
>>occurrence of several of those words in BK proved him  right.  Also, 
the 
>>additional information contained in BK slotted into  UCR so well and 
so 
>>easily that it shows how very good that was, too.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 9 Efn 2010, at 09:04, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>
>>> That's a very valid point, Ray.  Everyone acknowledge that there  
were 
>>> inherent faults within UC (given the limited material Nance had  
to work 
>>> with, that's hardly a surprise) which needed attention.  UCR  
addressed 
>>> that problem, with subtle, gentle adjustments that didn't  
compromise the 
>>> overall integrity of UC.  It is a shame that the SWF  process got 
in the 
>>> way of its progress because I was very happy with  UCR.  I was 
very 
>>> comfortable with it and, having been more used to  LC, that's 
quite a 
>>> testament to UCR.  I wrote the first edition of  "Cornish Place-
Names and 
>>> Language" in RLC, but rewrote the second  edition in UCR 
(cheekily 
>>> referring to it as "standard Cornish", as a  kick-back against the 
claims 
>>> being made by the Kesva).  I found the  adjustment very easy.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Efn 2010, at 08:17, Ray Chubb wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Efn 2010, at 22:30, Christian Semmens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I like UC, I like its aesthetic, I also  
appreciate 
>>>>> the warm place it has in many hearts, but its days are  passed 
as the 
>>>>> primary vehicle for written Cornish. It served its  purpose 
fairly 
>>>>> well, but its downfall came with the rigidity of  those who 
failed to 
>>>>> adapt when its inadequacies became too much  for many to bear. 
It had a 
>>>>> brief chance in the 90s with UCR, but  again the chance was lost 
with 
>>>>> the failure to adapt, with users  sticking doggedly to the 
original 
>>>>> ossified form.
>>>>
>>>> Much of the reason for this was the fact that the Cornish 
Language 
>>>> Board would not allow their exams to be taken in UCR.  If the  
Language 
>>>> Board feared UCR so much that tells us that it has got  something 
worth 
>>>> hanging on to.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Chubb
>>>>
>>>> Portreth
>>>> Kernow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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