[Spellyans] UCR-Best orthography, richest vocabulary?
janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk
janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk
Wed Jun 9 22:55:26 IST 2010
Is pylarluth some sort of lord?
>From: butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com
>Date: 09/06/2010 20:36
>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"<spellyans at kernowek.net>
>Subj: [Spellyans] UCR-Best orthography, richest vocabulary?
>It is heartening to see that the newest manuscript discovery seems to
>vindicated the main ideas of the 'Nancean' synthesists, if one may so
>It makes me doubt if learning the largely abandoned UCR is a waste of
>after all! UCR has the virtue of remaining very close to UC so making
>literary corpus quite accessible and also enriching the vocabulary
>quite apart from evidently being an accurate reflection of the
>texts. And it seems to dovetail reasonably easily with LC from what
>What do 'second generation' speakers think of UCR as opposed to UC? I
>to remember the Chubb kids were raised with Cornish UC. Are they or
>others like them still active speakers? Or is there a phenomenon of
>generation 'fall out'? I know Welsh and Gaelic kids who, for
>reasons, have sadly dropped the language once they reach adulthood.
>Finally, how healthy is LC? We hear little from its proponents- apart
>And what does 'pylarluth' mean, for goodness sake?! Can't find it in
>my vocabularies, very frustrating!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org>
>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] An SWF glossary & Unified versus SWF
>>I should add that the discovery and examination of 'Bewnans Ke'
>>how good Nance (and Williams) were/are. Nance had taken an
>>at certain words which weren't within the available corpus and the
>>occurrence of several of those words in BK proved him right. Also,
>>additional information contained in BK slotted into UCR so well and
>>easily that it shows how very good that was, too.
>> On 9 Efn 2010, at 09:04, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>> That's a very valid point, Ray. Everyone acknowledge that there
>>> inherent faults within UC (given the limited material Nance had
>>> with, that's hardly a surprise) which needed attention. UCR
>>> that problem, with subtle, gentle adjustments that didn't
>>> overall integrity of UC. It is a shame that the SWF process got
>>> way of its progress because I was very happy with UCR. I was
>>> comfortable with it and, having been more used to LC, that's
>>> testament to UCR. I wrote the first edition of "Cornish Place-
>>> Language" in RLC, but rewrote the second edition in UCR
>>> referring to it as "standard Cornish", as a kick-back against the
>>> being made by the Kesva). I found the adjustment very easy.
>>> On 9 Efn 2010, at 08:17, Ray Chubb wrote:
>>>> On 8 Efn 2010, at 22:30, Christian Semmens wrote:
>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I like UC, I like its aesthetic, I also
>>>>> the warm place it has in many hearts, but its days are passed
>>>>> primary vehicle for written Cornish. It served its purpose
>>>>> well, but its downfall came with the rigidity of those who
>>>>> adapt when its inadequacies became too much for many to bear.
It had a
>>>>> brief chance in the 90s with UCR, but again the chance was lost
>>>>> the failure to adapt, with users sticking doggedly to the
>>>>> ossified form.
>>>> Much of the reason for this was the fact that the Cornish
>>>> Board would not allow their exams to be taken in UCR. If the
>>>> Board feared UCR so much that tells us that it has got something
>>>> hanging on to.
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