[Spellyans] Rules for the apostrophe

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Wed May 19 13:52:06 IST 2010


I don't think we need a grave accent to show lack of stress in the phrase. We don't do it for <dhe>, or the particle <a>, why do it in the case of <wàr> and <gàn>. I don't mind the SWF spelling for the shortened <'gan>. 
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Weatherhill
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:00 PM

"Is there a need for diacritics in these words?  Stress differs, but not pronunciation.  I'm thinking that when KS is somewhat under fire for the number of diacritics, shouldn't we looking to limit or even trim them?  I don't understand what is meant by 'mistaken smart quotes' - for me 'gan, 'gas, 'ga, without diacritics, are perfectly clear as they are, and follow from agan, agas, aga perfectly well and logically.  Are we over-tinkering?

I won't do any service by not voicing concerns, but the introduction of initial I for Y in some words makes me uncomfortable.  KS1 had to be adjusted to cope with the limitations placed on it by the SWF, but I feel that we've gone too far.  Overall, KS is fine BUT we mustn't kid ourselves that it will replace the SWF in 3 years time.  It won't.  It can't.  There is far too much opposition out there for that ever to happen and, if we don't start publishing in SWF/T as well, the move will be to dismiss it because no one is visibly using it. This will then open the door for the return of KK to "correct" SWF/M.  I'm having enough problems with the pressure to use SWF/M graphs in place-names, and the apparent desire to sideline SWF/T as far as they're able.  We fell for this sort of thing 25 years ago and we'd all be bloody fools not to be aware of intentions now, and do what is necessary to thwart them.  Publishing in KS alone won't do this.  KS will most certainly inform the corrections to be undertaken in 2013, and I feel that this aim is what we should be concentrating on.
Craig"



On 18 Me 2010, at 18:21, Eddie Climo wrote:

> On 18 Me 2010, at 11:05, nicholas williams wrote:
>
>> When writing the shortened form of agan 'our', agas 'your' and aga  
>> 'their', doesn't KS write gàn, gàs and gà rather than 'gan, 'gas,  
>> 'ga? The latter forms are likely to give rise to mistaken smart  
>> quotes.
>
> Can this be true? I'm appalled to see that the diacritics are  
> metastastising in KS.
>
> Thanks, but I'll stick to 'gan, 'gas and 'ga.
>
> By the way, I thought you rejected the argument that 'diacritics are  
> TOO difficult for me to manage on my computer'. It seems, though,  
> that you're quite happy about the (totally different?) argument,  
> 'smart quotes are TOO difficult for me to manage on my computer'.
>
> Come on, chaps, get real and ditch this nonsense!
>
> Eddie Foirbeis Climo
> - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- -
> Dres ethom akennow byner re bons lyeshes
> Accenti non multiplicandi praeter necessitatem
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