[Spellyans] gwiryoneth

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Wed Nov 17 11:30:29 GMT 2010


You’re right, <gwreanathe> could have meant [θ] in the final syllable, but since we have Lhuyd’s <guirionedh> it could just as well have meant [ð] – the point being – we don’t know, and will probably never know for sure. So, all we have is differing “beliefs” and “likelihoods” of what it may have been. The sounds [ð] and [θ] are so rarely distinguished in the texts that I find that Lhuyd’s form must be significant in some way. Faced with the problem of difficult documentation regarding the distinctiveness of the sound, I don’t find an etymological approach all that bad. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholas Williams
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:51 AM

"Dan wrote about -edh, etc.:


"It is attested, after all, by Lhuyd and interestingly enough CW has gwreanathe occurring before a vowel which leads me to suspect that there may have been final devoicing in absolute auslaut and before other voiceless consonants, but [ð] before vowels."


The spelling gwreanathe 'truth' in CW does not to me suggest a finall voiced consonant. In CW spellings in <Vthe> frequently occur where there is no question of voicing. Look at the following examples:


totheta ‘good speed’ CW 564

mara tethe  ‘if he came’ (final -e not a suffixed pronoun) CW 565

cothe gyllys ‘become old’ CW 1791

forsothe ‘forsooth’ CW 1890

me athe chardg ‘I charge thee’ CW 375

cathe ‘cat’ CW 407

me athe pys ‘I beg thee’ CW 559

thathe negys to thy business’  CW 570

hyrathe ‘longing’ CW  590 (cf. Welsh hiraeth)

me athe pyese CW 617

athe cossyllyas ‘advised thee’ CW 771

athe wullowys ‘from thy light’ CW 936

Deathe ‘death’ CW  1006

bythqwathe ‘ever’ CW 1265

bram an gathe CW 1305

molathe en tase ‘the curse of the Father’ CW 1505

dallathe ‘begin’ CW 2281

cathe ‘cat’ (rhyming with whath ‘yet’) CW 2301

me athe pyes ‘I beg thee’ CW 2332

pew athe wrug ‘who made thee?’ CW 2346

bram an gathe ‘the cat’s fart’ CW 2378

whathe ‘still, yet’ CW 2379

hathe flehys ‘and thy children’ CW 2376

vij gwythe ‘seven times’  CW 1536

seythe ‘Seth’ stage direction 1758

SEYTHE ‘Seth’ heading CW 2078

pesqwythe ‘as often’ CW 2502


Gwreanathe at CW 1892 (there is one example only) can perfectly well represent [gwri at n@T]



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