daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Tue Nov 23 21:49:08 GMT 2010
I have already explained to you that <diwedh> is an old formation going back to Proto-Celtic (cf. Breton, Welsh, Old Irish forms). I didn't look up George's transcription. I used Lhuyd. I believe a diphthongal pronunciation is valid for the form with initial stress.
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On 23.11.2010, at 22:38, Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com> wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2010, at 20:19, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>> TH 18a <diweth>
> This is not a diphthong. This is disyllabic "di-weth"~"dy-weth"~"de-weth" in the same way that "dy-worth"~"de-worth"~"da-worth and "dy-war"~"de-war" are disyllabic. On etymological grounds as well it is di- + wed-. Moreover Breton is "di-vez" and Welsh is "di-wedd". Lhuyd's "diụath" is "di-ụath", and as you know he does explicitly state that ụ may be either vocalic or consonantal. I don't believe that you have grounds to read this as "diw-eth", Dan. Or that George is right to write it [ˈdiƱęð] (which must mean [ˈdiʊɛð]).
> The texts also have the verb "dywethe", "dowethe", with Lhuyd's "diụadha". Clearly these are "dy-wethe", "do-wethe", "di-ụadha"; compare "tha worth" for "dyworth". Even the form "duatha" can be analyzed "du-[w]atha" where the initial "di" has become "də".
> I hope you won't claim that /diʊ/ becomes /doʊ/ or that "duatha" indicates du- [diʊ] + atha, because you're still stuck with "dowethe" and "tha worth" which could not be explained by the same claim.
> I agree with Nicholas: there is no example of a diphthong "iw" in Traditional Cornish.
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