On 12 Oct 2010, at 10:06, Ray Chubb wrote: > Would that be a long or short vowel? Irish "ciste" [ˈkʲɪʃtʲə] 'fund, treasury, kitty' has a short vowel. Irish "císte" [ˈkʲiːʃtʲə] 'cake' has a long vowel. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/