[Spellyans] Box

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Sat Oct 9 14:51:16 IST 2010


So why not use the word <box> for "a box"?

The word for "a desk" is given as SWF <desk>, and there is a rule that the 
vowel is long before -sk. (ref: Pronunciation and Variants, A Supplement to 
An English - Cornish Glossary in the Standard Written Form by Albert Bock, 
Benjamin Bruch, Neil Kennedy, Daniel Prohaska, and Laurence Rule Version: 
14/08/2010)

Does this mean that <desk> is also pronounced long? It was apparently short 
in UCR.

Andrew J. Trim



--------------------------------------------------
From: "nicholas williams" <njawilliams at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:31 PM
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Box

> Kist surely rhymes with Krist and trist and must be understood as long.
> The word kyst 'box' doesn't seem to be attested in the texts.
> There is a word <gyst> but that has initial [dZ] and means 'joist, beam'.
> KK had difficulty with this word and spelt it both <kist> and <kyst>.
>
> On 2010 Hed 9, at 13:19, A. J. Trim wrote:
>
>> The SWF is actually worse than you say here.
>>
>> As I understand it, the SWF rules state that either i or y can be long or 
>> short, so in the SWF (with no clear rules for using i or y) even kyst 
>> would be long, by the rule that the vowel is long before -st. The SWF 
>> cannot write this short, unless it writes kisst or kysst - oh dear!
>>
>> KS does have clear rules, and can.
>>
>> Are there any other words like this (i.e. monosyllables ending in 
>> short -ist or -yst) in the SWF or is this a single easily learnt 
>> exception?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andrew J. Trim
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:10 AM
>> To: "Spellyans" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Subject: [Spellyans] Box
>>
>>> SWF gives kist but this must be [kiːst] according to the SWF's rules of 
>>> length. But Nance and Williams give kyst [kɪst], not *kȳst, and Gendall 
>>> gives kist [kɪst], not *kîst. A long vowel is incorrect here; the 
>>> spelling in SWF should be kyst; it is kyst in KS.
>>>
>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Spellyans mailing list
>>> Spellyans at kernowek.net
>>> http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Spellyans mailing list
>> Spellyans at kernowek.net
>> http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spellyans mailing list
> Spellyans at kernowek.net
> http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net
> 




More information about the Spellyans mailing list