[Spellyans] Box

ewan wilson butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com
Sun Oct 10 21:20:33 IST 2010


Although others have made the point that especially with a language that 
lacks any substantial native speaker base/community it is essential to get 
as uniform and consistent an orthography as possible, one does wonder 
sometimes if there is spmething innate in language itself that makes this 
goal very elusive and at times not even desirable?
The point that sometines the aesthetics of the system might override the 
'sounds' consideration is a good one!
A good learners' dictionary should provide a good, easily recognised 
pronunication guide for each entry. The best one in Welsh for instance to my 
mind is Heini Gruffudd's Welsh Learner's Dictionary punlished by  Y Lolfa
Gendall's little cartoon book also had a handy rough and ready pronunciation 
guide throughout all the speech bubbles if I remember correctly- can't find 
it right now!
Not all of us are masters of the IPA !! Some of its  more 'refined' vowel 
characters are particularly hard to discern to the untrained ear.

Ewan.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <janicelobb at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Box


> Kist/cist is fine for RLC pronunciation of the SWF. As I read my little
> book of SWF, had it been a long vowel, pronounced -ee-, we would have
> to use an umbrella graph and spell it "kust"! (cf reeg/rug)
>
> Jan
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>
>>----Original Message----
>
>>From: everson at evertype.com
>
>>Date: 09/10/2010 15:07
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>>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list"<spellyans at kernowek.net>
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>>Subj: Re: [Spellyans] Box
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>>On 9 Oct 2010, at 20:55, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
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>>> This fault of the SWF can be very easily rectified: by using I to
> represent the long vowel, and Y for the short vowel throughout.
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>>The SWF does use "i" to represent long [iː] in stressed monosyllables.
> But in stressed polysyllables, the SWF uses "y" sometimes for short [ɪ]
> and sometimes for long [iː] that alternates with [eː]. We mark this
> last "ÿ", as you know.
>
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>>KS1 proposed "ei" for the sound which alternates, but a lot of people
> weren't comfortable with that.
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>>> As a morpho-phonemic orthography, one would have expected KK to have
> done this,
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>>KK also uses "y" sometimes for short [ɪ] and sometimes for what they
> say is long [ɪː] (our long [iː]) that alternates with [eː] in RLC.
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>
>>Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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