[Spellyans] Box

Ken MacKinnon ken at ferintosh.org
Mon Oct 11 12:49:02 IST 2010


A gowetha,

Ciste in Gaelic can also mean coffin, as in the proverb:

Is fhearr Gaidhlig bhriste na Gaidhlig na ciste.

( Better broken Gaelic than Gaelic in its coffin.)

- Coinneach


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ewan wilson" <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Box


In Scotland 'a kist'  ( pronounced as the past tense of the verb kiss:
kissed)
designates a wooden chest for holding linen, etc. They're a bit old
fashioned these days but there's one in our family dating back to the end of
the 18th century which went all the way across to North America and back!
A Kist O' Whistles was a derogatory term for a church organ in Presbyterian
Scotland where the metrical psalms were and still are in the more
conservative denominations such as my own still sung without instrumental
accompaniment.

Ewan.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:30 PM
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On 9 Oct 2010, at 21:14, nicholas williams wrote:

> Where did the antiquarians get the word from?
> If they saw it written <kist> they would have pronounced it short.
> For it to have a long vowel it would have had to be written <keest>.

Kist is a word used in the North and in Scotland. OED:

[Northern form of CHEST n.1; either directly from Scandinavian, or owing its
form to Norse influence; cf. ON.kista, Sw. kista, Da. kiste; also Du. kist,
Ger. kiste. With the various senses, cf. CHEST 1, 3, 4, 5.]

1.a. A chest, box, coffer. (In Sc. the specific term for a servant's trunk.)
c1300 Havelok 2018 Al þat he milhen [= hy mihten] fynde Of hise, in arke or
in kiste.

13.. E.E. Allit. P. C. 159 Ouerborde bale to kest,..Her kysttes & her
coferes.

c1420 Sir Amadace (Camden) xliv, Kistes and cofurs bothe ther stode,..fulle
of gold precius and gode.

1535 STEWART Cron. Scot. II. 21 All tha buikis tha kist hes brocht till.

b. Applied to the ‘ark’ of bulrushes in which Moses was placed; and to
Noah's ark. Obs.

a1300 Cursor M. 5614-17 (Cott.) A rescen [MS. An esscen] kyst [Gött. a kist
of rises] sco did be wroght,..In þis kist þe barn sco did.

13.. E.E. Allit. P. B. 449 ‘Now Noe’, quoth oure lorde, ‘..Hatz þou closed
þy kyst with clay alle aboute?’



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