[Spellyans] Box

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Tue Oct 12 10:06:43 IST 2010


Would that be a long or short vowel?

On 11 Hed 2010, at 12:49, Ken MacKinnon wrote:

> A gowetha,
>
> Ciste in Gaelic can also mean coffin, as in the proverb:
>
> Is fhearr Gaidhlig bhriste na Gaidhlig na ciste.
>
> ( Better broken Gaelic than Gaelic in its coffin.)
>
> - Coinneach
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> In Scotland 'a kist'  ( pronounced as the past tense of the verb kiss:
> kissed)
> designates a wooden chest for holding linen, etc. They're a bit old
> fashioned these days but there's one in our family dating back to  
> the end of
> the 18th century which went all the way across to North America and  
> back!
> A Kist O' Whistles was a derogatory term for a church organ in  
> Presbyterian
> Scotland where the metrical psalms were and still are in the more
> conservative denominations such as my own still sung without  
> instrumental
> accompaniment.
>
> Ewan.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com 
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> On 9 Oct 2010, at 21:14, nicholas williams wrote:
>
>> Where did the antiquarians get the word from?
>> If they saw it written <kist> they would have pronounced it short.
>> For it to have a long vowel it would have had to be written <keest>.
>
> Kist is a word used in the North and in Scotland. OED:
>
> [Northern form of CHEST n.1; either directly from Scandinavian, or  
> owing its
> form to Norse influence; cf. ON.kista, Sw. kista, Da. kiste; also  
> Du. kist,
> Ger. kiste. With the various senses, cf. CHEST 1, 3, 4, 5.]
>
> 1.a. A chest, box, coffer. (In Sc. the specific term for a servant's  
> trunk.)
> c1300 Havelok 2018 Al þat he milhen [= hy mihten] fynde Of hise, in  
> arke or
> in kiste.
>
> 13.. E.E. Allit. P. C. 159 Ouerborde bale to kest,..Her kysttes & her
> coferes.
>
> c1420 Sir Amadace (Camden) xliv, Kistes and cofurs bothe ther  
> stode,..fulle
> of gold precius and gode.
>
> 1535 STEWART Cron. Scot. II. 21 All tha buikis tha kist hes brocht  
> till.
>
> b. Applied to the ‘ark’ of bulrushes in which Moses was placed; and to
> Noah's ark. Obs.
>
> a1300 Cursor M. 5614-17 (Cott.) A rescen [MS. An esscen] kyst [Gött.  
> a kist
> of rises] sco did be wroght,..In þis kist þe barn sco did.
>
> 13.. E.E. Allit. P. B. 449 ‘Now Noe’, quoth oure lorde, ‘..Hatz þou  
> closed
> þy kyst with clay alle aboute?’
>
>
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