[Spellyans] "Public house"

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Wed Aug 3 14:11:20 IST 2011

I know that there are some who say that the differences between KK  
users and Unified users are only a matter of spelling.  However below  
is a good example of other differences.

I hear 'dewotty' a lot from KK users but mostly 'tavern' from Unified  

On 3 Est 2011, at 13:52, nicholas williams wrote:

> Nance 1938 gives *dewotty 'drink-shop, ale-house', which is based on  
> Welsh dioty 'ale-house'.
> UC dewotty appears now in the SWF glossary as diwotty, the SWF for  
> 'drink' being
> diwes. The attested forms for 'drink' are dywes x 2; dewas x 12;  
> thewas x 1.
> Nance presumably coined *dewotty on purist grounds. We have two  
> attested words
> for 'public house, tavern, ale-house', however.
> In tavern sur ov eva ymons pur ruth age myn BM 3308
> Caupona…A Tavern, an Ale-house, a Victualling-house; A. [&  
> C[ornish]] Tavargn AB; 47a
> Taberna…A tavarn or victualling house…Tshyi tavarn AB: 160b.
> HOSTELRI, an inn, an alehouse, a victualling house ACB R 2
> Hostelri, a Tavern, Alehouse Borlase
> It is possible that Pryce borrowed hostelri from Breton ostaleri,  
> but the
> differing second vowel and the initial h- in hostelry make this  
> unlikely.
> Nance thought the word was genuine for he includes it in his 1952  
> dictionary
> s.v. hostelry, though removing h- he gives ostlery.
> It might be better to retain the h- and to consider that hostelry is  
> to be stressed
> on the second syllable.
> Nicholas
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Ray Chubb


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