[Spellyans] "Public house"

njawilliams njawilliams at gmail.com
Mon Aug 8 15:43:01 IST 2011


Since we don't know the etymology, there is no justification for the final <es>. I prefer to use the commonest spelling: dewas Lhuyd deuaz.

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On 2011 Est 8, at 13:11, Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com> wrote:

> Precisely. I would like to be able to write <dywes> or <dewes>.
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08.08.2011, at 12:57, njawilliams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> If diot and dewas are unrelated, why do we have to spell diwes etymologically as though from OC diot?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 2011 Est 6, at 12:58, "Daniel Prohaska" <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It seems that the w-less form is the regular reflex, cf. MI deoch, OB diot, MB diet, OC diot, Gaul. diota. Since the OC form diot precedes MC dywes, dewas I find it unlikely that Cornish would spontaneously insert /w/ in the hiatus in this word and nowhere else.
>>> I’ve found a questionable (no indication of sources) Proto-Celtic to English wordlist online (http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/ProtoCelticEnglishWordlist.pdf), which gives dî-âti- glossed ‘drink’, but also the heading degu-(?) ‘drink’. Is there a possibility that we might be dealing with an entirely separate root where dywes, dewas is concerned. I haven’t found *(*)degu- elsewhere and cannot find a reference to a word in the other Modern Celtic languages. 
>>> Could *dî-âti- be derived from the PCc (Proto-Celtic) prefix *dî- ‘of, from’ and compounded with PCc *âti- ‘oven, furnace’, i.e. ‘something burnt, a brand, liquor’, rather than ‘suck’ + nominal extension?
>>> Cornish dena (cf. OI denaid; MW dynu, denu; MB denaff, B denañ) shows ‘suck’ + suffix *-na—
>>> Perplexing and the other reference materials are suspiciously quite on the subject and don’t list this word.
>>> Dan
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>>> On Behalf Of nicholas williams
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:51 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] "Public house"
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>>> “If the w in dywes, dewas is to fill hiatus, one has to ask why dioc > dyag has not undergone the same development.”
>>>  
>>> On 2011 Est 4, at 13:52, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>>>  
>>> > How is the OC <diot> to be explained? It seems that MC <dewas> cannot be its reflex, but a separate development.
>>> >
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