[Spellyans] tavas in early Middle Cornish

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Thu Jul 14 15:30:44 IST 2011


I agree with you, as usual, Craig…
 
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From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] tavas in early Middle Cornish
 
This identification of SWF faults needs to be listed as a separate  
feature we can link to, and the list added to or modified as  
discussions progress.  I think Spellyans must now concentrate on this  
task. We can't leave this any later, as there are only 2 years to go  
before the review.
 
Craig
 
 
On 14 Gor 2011, at 12:11, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
 
> Nicholas wrote:
> “So the SWF has kelyn 'puppies', but melin 'mill', though they  
> rhyme perfectly.”
> 
> Yes, this <i> ~ <y> distribution in the SWF is unfortunate in  
> places, especially in unstressed syllables. I would like to see this  
> changed in the SWF. My preference would be write <i> where both RMC  
> and RLC share an i-type vowel ([iː], [ɪ]) and spell <y> only in RMC  
> where RLC has <e> (with the exception of word-final position where  
> <y> should be permitted as in trad.C).
> 
> “On the other hand the SWF cannot distinguish cost 'coast' from  
> cost 'cost', nor can it tell pur 'snot' from pur 'pure'.”
> 
> Up till now I had <pour> for ‘snot’ in my dictionary as RLC has  
> [uː] and Nicholas, you have <pūr> in UCR as did Nance in UC, but  
> Lhuyd writes <pụr> which points towards [pʊr], which would have to  
> be SWF *porr or *purr. KK has <pur> [pyːr] which, unless it ca be  
> shown to be mistaken, would give SWF <pur> M [pyːr], L [piːr].  
> There’s also Anglo-Cornish dialect <poor> ‘rotten, diseased’  
> but I don’t know if it’s connected. Latin <pituitarius> is a bit  
> of a stretch. Do you know the etymology of Lhuyd’s <pụr>?
> 
> Yes, I too would like to be able to distinguish ‘cost’ from  
> ‘coast’, ‘causeway’ from ‘vagina’. Also SWF <bronn ~  
> brodn> ‘breast’ [brɔn(ː)] ~ [brɔdn], from <bronn ~ brodn>  
> ‘rushes’ [brʊn(ː)] ~ [brʊdn].
> Dan
> 
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of nicholas williams
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:14 PM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] tavas in early Middle Cornish
> 
> “So the SWF has kelyn 'puppies', but melin 'mill', though they  
> rhyme perfectly. The SWF has kegin 'kitchen' but megyn 'we smoke'  
> though they are an exact rhyme. On the other hand the SWF cannot  
> distinguish cost 'coast' from cost 'cost', nor can it tell pur  
> 'snot' from pur 'pure'.
> Etymological spellings are unhelpful.
> Nicholas”
> 
> “On 2011 Gor 13, at 17:04, Michael Everson wrote:
> The "reason" is claimed to be "etymological reconstruction" but as  
> often as not it is just a reflection of distinctions made in Welsh  
> or in Breton, imposed on Cornish by someone who admired those  
> distinctions.”
> 
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