[Spellyans] gawas 'to get'

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Wed Sep 7 22:31:46 BST 2011

That is strange regarding the pre-occlusion in Manx.  Only one British  
tongue has it, only one Gaelic tongue has it.  It's hard to see  
whether one influenced the other.  Sea-trading might be one  
possibility, but that trade would also have called into Wales,  
Ireland, Scotland and Brittany.  They have no trace of it.  Maybe  
those languages had so many speakers that they were beyond minor  
external influences - but Manx would not have been, having perhaps as  
few speakers as Cornish did.  And vice-versa, of course.  From whence  
came the influence?  Cornwall to Man, or the other way round?  If  
there is a connection between the two developments of pre-occlusion,  
then that's the only one I can think of.


On 7 Gwn 2011, at 22:06, nicholas williams wrote:

> TH rhotacises, e.g. rag mar pethans gerys the vois, martesyn y eff a  
> yll skynnya in myschew an parna TH 25a.
> Pre-occlusion is probably much older than its first appearance in BM  
> (secunda manus).
> Pre-occlusion is common in Manx, but it is not shown in writing  
> until the 19th century.
> I agree completely that Rowe was a native speaker.
> John Boson and Wm Gwavas probably weren't.
> Nicholas Boson like Wm Bodinar learnt Cornish as a boy, rather than  
> as a baby.
> I'm sure you are correct, Craig, in believing that Cornish MSS are  
> lying undiscovered.
> Since the revival began we've had Tregear and BK. I just hope I live  
> long enough to see the next discovery.
> Nicholas
> On 2011 Gwn 7, at 20:42, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>> rhotacisation and pre-occlusion
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