[Spellyans] gawas 'to get'

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Thu Sep 8 12:32:02 IST 2011


I'm afraid so.

Craig

On 8 Gwn 2011, at 12:04, A. J. Trim wrote:

> I assume that the "Highways" ban prevents the use of diacritical  
> marks too - so no «Chûn» for example.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] gawas 'to get'
>
> The dumbing process is even worse than that.  We have problems on the
> Signage Panel because Highways (following a precedent started in the
> USA [surprise!], and taken on by several British councils) have banned
> superscript symbols on road signs.  That ridiculous policy includes
> (or rather excludes) apostrophes.
>
> We can't recommend things like For'eglos ('churchway') in West
> Cornwall, or use Mene' to abbreviate *menydh (SWF).  We debated using
> Por' for Par, but this edict means we can't, and gives us no choice
> but Porth.
>
> Translation becomes all but impossible.  For example:  "Robins Hill" -
> is this "hill of a robin", "hill of several robins", or "hill named
> after a person called Robin"?
>
> Craig
>
> PS - We haven't come to Camborne yet, and that's going to be a real
> problem, as two spellings have emerged from a 15th century document
> held in the the Records Office.  In this, the same scribe spells:
> Kambron and Kambronn.  Ye Gods, that's all I needed!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Gwn 2011, at 11:04, Ray Chubb wrote:
>
>> Yes I can see that there is a historical precedent for it.  My main  
>> objection to the current trend in revived Cornish is the apparent   
>> view that we must 'dumb down'.  As I said, is it really so  
>> difficult  to remember to give final 'f' a 'v' sound?
>>
>> I suppose it is all part of a general dumbing down in society.  The  
>> popularity of Samba bands because people can't be bothered to  
>> learn  a real instrument, church music, dumbed down English in  
>> Bible  translations, road markings to tell us what any driver with  
>> common  sense can see with his own eyes, the list is endless.
>>
>> On 8 Gwn 2011, at 10:35, nicholas williams wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't at first really like final <v>.
>>> If we take all those words which in CW and elsewhere end in <ve>  
>>> we find, inter alia,
>>>
>>> gwave 'winter'
>>> have 'summer'
>>> eve 'he, him'
>>> creve 'strong'
>>> neve 'heaven'
>>> preve 'worm, reptile'
>>> ove 'I am'
>>> gove 'smith'.
>>>
>>> We don't however use final silent -e, since that is a spelling  
>>> convention derived from English. If we remove
>>> the silent -e from these items, they become gwav, hav, ev, crev,   
>>> nev, prev, ov and gov, the recommended KS forms.
>>> Although they don't look like MC gwaf, haf, ef, cref, etc. they  
>>> do  have the merit of making clear
>>> that the final segment is [v] rather than [f]. This avoids  
>>> mispronunciations like me yw *goff hag yth *off *creff.
>>> Spellings like hav, gwav, prev etc. also make the spelling
>>> easier for those used to a LC orthography.
>>> They cannot be called untraditional because sporadic spelling  
>>> like  ev 'he', ov 'am' occur even in MC and CW:
>>>
>>> ev yv pen cok RD 2017
>>> mabe Jared yth ov heb gowe CW 2096
>>>
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>> On 2011 Gwn 8, at 09:31, Ray Chubb wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Ray, what you don’t like is the ‘look’ of final <dh> and <v>,
>>>
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>> Ray Chubb
>>
>> Portreth
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