[Spellyans] gawas 'to get'

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Thu Sep 8 15:56:51 IST 2011


I'd be entirely happy with writing "fenten. an venten', just as Late  
Cornish does.  Also, the s-z mutation.  Nance and many subsequent  
scholars consistently spoke against writing these, but place-name  
evidence shows many examples of them.

Craig



On 8 Gwn 2011, at 15:44, Daniel Prohaska wrote:

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> Me neither. I quite like the idea of using <v> where we always find / 
> v/ (eg. an venyn, gav, nev), use /f/ where there is variation or  
> uncertainty (e.g., fos, cafos, fenester) and <ff> where /f/ is  
> unambiguous (e.g. scaffa, affeccyon, offra, scriffa). The letter <f>  
> would then be an ‘umbrella graph’ for words with /v/ ~ /f/.
>
> Just an idea.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net 
> ]
>
> On Behalf Of nicholas williams
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:36 AM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] gawas 'to get'
>
>
>
> “I didn't at first really like final <v>.
>
> If we take all those words which in CW and elsewhere end in <ve> we  
> find, inter alia,
>
>
>
> gwave 'winter'
>
> have 'summer'
>
> eve 'he, him'
>
> creve 'strong'
>
> neve 'heaven'
>
> preve 'worm, reptile'
>
> ove 'I am'
>
> gove 'smith'.
>
>
>
> We don't however use final silent -e, since that is a spelling  
> convention derived from English. If we remove
>
> the silent -e from these items, they become gwav, hav, ev, crev,  
> nev, prev, ov and gov, the recommended KS forms.
>
> Although they don't look like MC gwaf, haf, ef, cref, etc. they do  
> have the merit of making clear
>
> that the final segment is [v] rather than [f]. This avoids  
> mispronunciations like me yw *goff hag yth *off *creff.
>
> Spellings like hav, gwav, prev etc. also make the spelling
>
> easier for those used to a LC orthography.
>
> They cannot be called untraditional because sporadic spelling like  
> ev 'he', ov 'am' occur even in MC and CW:
>
>
>
> ev yv pen cok RD 2017
>
> mabe Jared yth ov heb gowe CW 2096
>
>
>
> Nicholas”
>
>
>
> On 2011 Gwn 8, at 09:31, Ray Chubb wrote:
>
> Ray, what you don’t like is the ‘look’ of final <dh> and <v>,
>
>
>
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