[Spellyans] gulas nef

Tue Apr 24 16:05:02 BST 2012

Dear Linus,

Many thanks for this.   Agreed – I am counting the line as having 7 beats.

I am obliged to Michael for correcting my ƺ to ʒ

Oll an gwella – Ken

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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] gulas nef

Dear Ken,

I've searched the first 35 stanzas, and it seems that in all cases where gur-/gul- occurs, reading it as monosyllabic would keep the metre intact (3.6, 4.2, 6.7, 8.6, 11.6, 23.8, 32.8 & 35.6). This most probably means that the scribe differentiated between /g/ and labial /gw/. There are also two instances of gwr- (66.5 & 82.6) that are also to be read as /gwr/, and not /gur/ (according to the metre).

I agree that the evidence points to a difference in pronunciation, but it is apparently not to be counted as a vowel in any way.

All the best,

Linus

2012/4/24 Ken MacKinnon <ken at ferintosh.org>

Dear Linus,

Yes – I was meaning that the oo sound would be very short.

I encountered this as I have been making a verse translation of the initial stanzas of the Passion Poem.   These are in a 7.7.7.7. D metre, which is frequently encountered in this body of literature: late medieval Cornish religious verse.

That said, if you scan the first five verses there are a number of lines which seem to break the metre, and I wonder whether this has any implications for pronunciation issues.

-        An ken Ken

From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Linus Band
Sent: 23 April 2012 17:44
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Dauns and dauncya

Dear Ken,

I fear that reading <gulas> as /gulas/ would disrupt the metre:

An dus vas a ʒeserya     7

ʒeʒe gulas nef o kyllys    7 (8 if read as /gulas/)

gans aga garm hag olua   7

jhesus crist a ve mevijs   7

I'd say that the metre rather suggests that it is to be read as /gwlaz/.

All the best,

Linus

2012/4/23 Ken MacKinnon <ken at ferintosh.org>

Michael, and friends,

Recent discussion on pronunciation on initial gw- prompt me to cite an instance of traditional spelling in the Passion Poem.

Stanza 4, line 1 has:-

An dus vas a ƺeserya ƺeƺe gulas nef o kyllys

I am reading   gulas nef   as signifying the Kingdom of Heaven in English translation.   This spelling seems to suggest that the pronunciation might have been something like 'goolass' with a short oo sound.   (Sorry I cannot do the phonetics - and not sure about the s..)

- an ken Ken

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