[Spellyans] SWF (t) and Maga web site

David Trethewey davidtreth at gmail.com
Wed Aug 8 12:37:18 IST 2012


A way of presenting data on a map, using markers clickable to show an
infobox - is to Google Fusion Tables. I've done it for Yeth and Werin
: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~dlrt2/yethanwerin2.html

David

On 8 August 2012 12:10, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:
> I can do so, Ken, but it's an ongoing list and far from complete.
>
> Craig
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> On 8 Est 2012, at 10:02, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
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> Craig,
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> It would be very useful to publish this list.
>
> Even more useful would be an actual map.
>
> -        An ken Ken
>
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]
> On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: 07 August 2012 12:04
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF (t) and Maga web site
>
> As you all know, I've been worried about the apparent sidelining of
> traditional Cornish ever since 2008.
>
> I currently advise the Signage Panel, and concern myself mainly with
> historic place-names, mostly in an attempt to limit damage done in the past
> (and which might be carried through) through insufficient research.
>
> Obviously, this has to be done within the confines of the SWF but one
> significant place-name was decided by the Partnership, and not the Panel,
> and what they approved was not an SWF spelling (I think we all know which
> place-name this is).  I was, and still am, angry about this because, not
> only is the Partnership entirely unqualified to comment or decide upon
> place-names, but also because members of the Panel were close to agreeing a
> compromise form in which non-trad users lose a letter, and trad. users gain
> a letter.  My list, mentioned below, derogates from the Partnership's
> unacceptable decision, and gives the compromise form we were so close to
> agreeing before the matter was taken out of our hands.
>
> When the Panel was founded, its membership was well balanced between users
> of traditional and non-traditional Cornish:  now, the only voice for
> traditional Cornish connected with the Panel is me.  Nevertheless, the Panel
> members do work together quite well.
>
> The Panel has so far decided upon about 300 historic place-names.  Bearing
> in mind that we are restricted to the confines of the SWF, I am quite happy
> to agree with all bar 16 of these.  I question 12 of them to varying
> degrees;  the other 4 (including the example cited above) I absolutely
> oppose.  Overall that isn't too bad.
>
> However, the master list is being kept only in the Main Form SWF.  So, to
> counter yet another sidelining of traditional Cornish, I am maintaining a
> parallel list which presents the agreed names in both main form and
> traditional graphs.
>
>
> Craig
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> On 7 Est 2012, at 11:28, Ray Chubb wrote:
>
>
> Jenefer, I think you are beginning to sound like a gramophone record stuck
> in the grove.
>
> We all know what the Treyarnon agreement was, the point that I have been
> making on this forum is that the Partnership is a public body representing
> Cornish and the whole of the Cornish language movement but since the removal
> of the SWF (t) glossary from the web site there is no indication at all of
> what native Cornish looks like.  The (t) glossary was in fact a very poor
> indication of traditional spelling but at least it was something.
>
> How can the Partnership accept public money when it represents only those
> who think that it is O.K. to tinker wholesale with native forms of Cornish?
>
> I shall certainly be making representations at the next Partnership meeting
> to have a page on the web site dedicated to show what various orthographies
> look like including those of native writers.  If I am outvoted as I usually
> am by the politicians on the Partnership, (including the ones who speak
> Cornish) I shall take the matter up with Cornwall Councillors.
>
> On 7 Est 2012, at 10:00, Lowe Jenefer wrote:
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>
> Dear all,
>
> I am away working at an event in Brittany at the moment and therefore only
> infrequently checking email.  However, I feel I must just set the record
> straight. My position and that of MAGA is to work to the agreements made
> unless and until those change in any way, via the review. I have sent out
> the attached document, produced by the AHG as part of the agreement and
> spec, many times, but it continues to be ignored. It has always also been
> available on the website along with the spec. It sets out clearly what was
> agreed on variants and on traditional graphs and it is that agreement to
> which we adhere. The agreement put traditional graphs in place for those who
> wish to use them, but was emphatic that this did not create another 'form' -
> it wasn't a case of use all or nothing of the traditional graphs. I think
> the paper makes the position at the moment absolutely clear. That is why we
> are not looking at a dictionary with traditional forms but explaining the
> alternatives available within the one dictionary. The online dictionary will
> enable searches for traditional graph spellings and should be available,
> once a couple of technical issues are resolved.
>
> We are very happy to accept traditional graphs in use - in newsletter
> articles for example, but it was never the case that they would be used
> officially and we have to stick to the agreements made.
>
> Michael is right - SWF is not KK, the basis is different and we do need to
> keep aesthetic and linguistic points apart. This is exactly why the
> agreement at Treyarnon separated out the linguistic variants catered for by
> the Middle and Late variants from the aesthetic considerations represented
> by the traditional graphs. Trond was very clear on this point and right to
> be so.  That is why he originally termed the traditional graphs 'side forms'
> - meaning they exist beside and along with the official forms.
>
> And Michael - once again the initial information on the conference is
> available in the latest newsletter you have received. Full information will
> go out as soon as the details of venue are confirmed.
>
> I may not be online again for a day or two but hope that this will help to
> explain why we take the stance we do in support of the agreement as made.
>
> Yn lel,
>
> Jenefer Lowe
> Development Manager / Dyghtyer displegya
> Cornish Language Partnership / Keskowethyans an Taves Kernewek
> Cornwall Council / Konsel Kernow
> Dalvenie House / Chi Dalvenie
> County Hall / Lys Kernow
> Truro
> TR1 3AY
>
> tel: / pell: 01872 323465
> email / ebost: jlowe at cornwall.gov.uk
> website / gwiasva : www.magakernow.org.uk
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]
> On Behalf Of Daniel Prohaska
> Sent: 05 August 2012 16:05
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF (t) and Maga web site
>
> I can't remember. It's likely I wrote to Jenefer or Elizabeth about it.
> Dan
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
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>> On 5 Aug 2012, at 14:27, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
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>>> I have offered to make a SWF/t version of the dictionary and my offer has
>>> simply been ignored…
>>
>> Who was it who ignored it?
>>
>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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