[Spellyans] Plural forms
nickyrowe at gmail.com
Mon Jun 4 12:11:04 BST 2012
This is what I've been trying to work out for a few days.
Here's what I've arrived at, although due to the nature of Cornish numerals
others are likely to have different interpretations. This is just a method
that seems to work for me, although it hasn't been thoroughly tested or
100-119 is cans, cans hag onen, cans ha dew, etc
120-199 uses either the same vigesimal system as 20-99, or the same as
whegh ugens or cans ha dew ugens, onen ha whegh ugens or cans onen ha dew
200-999 are counted in hundreds
dew cans, dew cans hag onen, dew cans ha deg warn ugens, dew cans deg ha
tri ugens, etc
Above 1,000, multiples of a thousand up to 20,999 use a singular mil: mil,
dew vil, tri mil, deg mil, ugens mil naw cans nownsek ha pajar ugens
Above 21,000 the mil gets put within the number and problems of clarity
begin, which is why I suggest using a vilyow:
onen warn ugens a vilyow, onen warn ugens a vilyow hag onen, deg warn ugens
a vilyow naw cans pajar ha tri ugens
Multiples of 20,000 (so 40,000, 60,000 and 80,000) can be dew ugens mil or
dew ugens a vilyow.
Multiples of 100,000 are also singular: cans mil, dew cans mil, tri cans
mil, but cans hag onen a vilyow, dew cans hag onen a vilyow
The system for thousands is repeated for millions:
- Multiples of a million up to 20 can use the singular milyon, dew vilyon,
tri milyon, ugens milyon
- After that I suggest using a vilyonow: pajar ha tri ugens a vilyonow, dew
cans ha pemp a vilyow, whegh ha tri ugens
- 40, 60 and 80 million can be dew ugens milyon or dew ugens a vilyonow
- cans milyon, dew cans milyon, but cans hag onen a vilyonow, dew cans hag
onen a vilyonow
And repeated for billions and trillions.
On 4 June 2012 11:43, David Trethewey <davidtreth at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to write this up asa Python script - I may have a basic
> version today - but it may take longer for me to get one that does all
> cases and runs as a standalone program without the need for a Python
> interpreter installed.
> 211 - dew kans hag unnek - onan, eth, unnek and etek need special
> handing to use hag rather than ha
> 1917 mil naw kans ha seytek - in a compound number use ha here after kans
> 1997 - mil naw kans seytek ha peswar ugens - but not after kans here
> where it is used after the first part of the compound number for 97.
> Is there actually a hard and fast rule about when to use number + a +
> plural noun, rather than number + singular noun? As far as I'm aware
> there isn't except that the former may be used with larger numbers but
> is not compulsory as far as I know, although the latter may become
> unwieldy it is not actually ungrammatical?
> On 3 June 2012 15:30, Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can find the following examples of mylyow:
> > Kyn geffo eff myllyov cans 'Though he get a hundred thousand' BM 2270
> > an henow a Luther, Zwynglyus, Carolstadyus, gans myllyow moy an parana,
> > ha aga hereticall fascion 'the name of Luther, Zwingli, Carolstad, with
> > thousands more of that kind, and their heretical faction' TH 33
> > han rena a rug convertya ha trelya lyas myll a vyllyow then feith 'and
> > converted and turned many thousand thousands to the faith' TH 51
> > moy eas myllyow a bynsow 'more than thousands of pounds' CW 740
> > ha shoyah Bednath war villiaw a eze ort a Kara, ha gweetha o Lavarow 'and
> > show blessing to thousands who love me' Rowe (there are later versions of
> > this where the word is miliow).
> > There do not seem to be examples in the texts of milyow used to express
> > numbers apart from multiples of a thousand. So the 'a vilyow' way is not
> > common. The only possible example is Tregear's lyas myll a vyllyow.
> > 'Two thousand' is dyw vil:
> > rag ma dro da deux mill Hosket whath in Falmeth 'for there are still
> > two thousand barrels in Falmouth' OPender
> > and 'a hundred thousand' is cans mil:
> > Tedna cans mil warbar 'Draw in a hundred thousand together' Pryce.
> > Using the decimal system
> > 283,000 would be dew cans, eth deg ha teyr mil.
> > 200,083 would be dew cans mil, eth deg ha try
> > 203,080 would be dew cans ha teyr mil, eth deg.
> > Or one could simply spell the number out:
> > dew, eth, try, màn, màn, màn
> > dew, màn, màn, màn, eth, try
> > dew, màn, try, màn, eth, màn.
> > Nicholas
> > On 3 Jun 2012, at 11:06, Nicky Rowe wrote:
> > If the 'a vilyow' way is common in the texts I might prefer to just use
> > system...
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