[Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Tue Jun 5 17:44:39 IST 2012


"Clew!  Clew!"

Craig


On 5 Efn 2012, at 14:49, Ken MacKinnon wrote:

> What is the Cornish for "Hear! Hear !"
>
> - an ken Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
> Sent: 04 June 2012 18:57
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise
>
> One of the internet trolls has remarked (I think in sheer desperation)
> that Baner Peran was flown in deference to the Duke who was aboard.
> Well, he wasn't.  Not on the 'Gloriana' on which the flags flew  - he
> was on the same boat as the Queen and, moreover, he has his own
> standard as Duke of Cornwall,  the shield bearing 15 bezants (or) on a
> sable background).  That was not being flown anywhere, as far I could
> see.  (Which is interesting  because it's also his Diamond Jubilee as
> Duke of Cornwall, which he became the moment his mother acceded to the
> throne).
>
> The point, which some here seem to be missing, is that Cornwall was,
> after almost 500 years, being recognised, quite obviously with royal
> approval, as one of the constituent NATIONS of Britain, distinct from,
> and equal to, the others, including England, whose flag was flown
> separately.    The only flag flown which wasn't a national flag was
> the courtesy flag for the City of London in whose waters yesterday's
> event was being staged.  The significance of this is enormous - for
> Cornwall and everything that makes it unique - including the language.
>
> That Cornwall is a nation in its own right, and not an appendage of
> England, is a huge admission and acknowledgment by the highest
> possible authority in the land, and it was made to the eyes of the
> world.   We must take the very fullest advantage of this, as no one
> can now argue with it.
>
> Craig
>
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> On 4 Efn 2012, at 17:01, David Trethewey wrote:
>
>> I think this may have been a last minute addition judging from the
>> following links:
>>
>> http://www.flaginstitute.org/Thames_Pageant_Flag_Guide.pdf - where
>> St. Piran's banner is listed under "county and regional flags"
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18307741 - where a
>> graphic shows Gloriana with 4 flags including what appears to be 2
>> St. George's crosses.
>>
>> A cynic might say it is a sop to the Cornish after Prince Charles
>> decided to concrete over the Tregurra valley near Truro for a new
>> Waitrose to sell more Duchy Originals biscuits.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 04/06/12 17:00, ewan wilson wrote:
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> I too saw both it and at least one other Baner Peran on one of the
>>> 'little ships', if my memory serves me correctly. The latter,
>>> however welcome, might be expected on a Cornish vessel, but the one
>>> on the Gloriana seems far more significant, as you say. It implies
>>> somebody in the Palace is keen to see all the indigenous tongues of
>>> these islands given due respect and recognition.
>>> It ties in with my point on the potential power of royal example.
>>> In proper deference to the request to keep this site in matters
>>> more specifically linguistic I shall say no more, but hope you'll
>>> forgive this one further reference, simply because it WAS so good
>>> to see the old tongues granted due respect! I even heard part of
>>> the BBC commentary - much of which was pretty dismal  and
>>> disjointed in my opinon- note the presence of the Baner!
>>>
>>> Ewan.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbie Blackburn"
> <kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com
>>>>
>>> To: "'Standard Cornish discussion list'" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise
>>>
>>>
>>>> Craig wrote 'There flew Baner Peran for all to see'.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that too - and also what I thought was a gig with the
>>>> Baner Peran
>>>> on as well.
>>>>
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