[Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Wed Jun 6 09:08:13 IST 2012


I would have expected the 2nd person plural, rather than the singular...

clowowgh!, clowowgh!

Dan



On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Craig Weatherhill wrote:

> "Clew!  Clew!"
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> On 5 Efn 2012, at 14:49, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
> 
>> What is the Cornish for "Hear! Hear !"
>> 
>> - an ken Ken
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]
>> On Behalf Of Craig Weatherhill
>> Sent: 04 June 2012 18:57
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise
>> 
>> One of the internet trolls has remarked (I think in sheer desperation)
>> that Baner Peran was flown in deference to the Duke who was aboard.
>> Well, he wasn't.  Not on the 'Gloriana' on which the flags flew  - he
>> was on the same boat as the Queen and, moreover, he has his own
>> standard as Duke of Cornwall,  the shield bearing 15 bezants (or) on a
>> sable background).  That was not being flown anywhere, as far I could
>> see.  (Which is interesting  because it's also his Diamond Jubilee as
>> Duke of Cornwall, which he became the moment his mother acceded to the
>> throne).
>> 
>> The point, which some here seem to be missing, is that Cornwall was,
>> after almost 500 years, being recognised, quite obviously with royal
>> approval, as one of the constituent NATIONS of Britain, distinct from,
>> and equal to, the others, including England, whose flag was flown
>> separately.    The only flag flown which wasn't a national flag was
>> the courtesy flag for the City of London in whose waters yesterday's
>> event was being staged.  The significance of this is enormous - for
>> Cornwall and everything that makes it unique - including the language.
>> 
>> That Cornwall is a nation in its own right, and not an appendage of
>> England, is a huge admission and acknowledgment by the highest
>> possible authority in the land, and it was made to the eyes of the
>> world.   We must take the very fullest advantage of this, as no one
>> can now argue with it.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Efn 2012, at 17:01, David Trethewey wrote:
>> 
>>> I think this may have been a last minute addition judging from the
>>> following links:
>>> 
>>> http://www.flaginstitute.org/Thames_Pageant_Flag_Guide.pdf - where
>>> St. Piran's banner is listed under "county and regional flags"
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18307741 - where a
>>> graphic shows Gloriana with 4 flags including what appears to be 2
>>> St. George's crosses.
>>> 
>>> A cynic might say it is a sop to the Cornish after Prince Charles
>>> decided to concrete over the Tregurra valley near Truro for a new
>>> Waitrose to sell more Duchy Originals biscuits.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/12 17:00, ewan wilson wrote:
>>>> Craig,
>>>> 
>>>> I too saw both it and at least one other Baner Peran on one of the
>>>> 'little ships', if my memory serves me correctly. The latter,
>>>> however welcome, might be expected on a Cornish vessel, but the one
>>>> on the Gloriana seems far more significant, as you say. It implies
>>>> somebody in the Palace is keen to see all the indigenous tongues of
>>>> these islands given due respect and recognition.
>>>> It ties in with my point on the potential power of royal example.
>>>> In proper deference to the request to keep this site in matters
>>>> more specifically linguistic I shall say no more, but hope you'll
>>>> forgive this one further reference, simply because it WAS so good
>>>> to see the old tongues granted due respect! I even heard part of
>>>> the BBC commentary - much of which was pretty dismal  and
>>>> disjointed in my opinon- note the presence of the Baner!
>>>> 
>>>> Ewan.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbie Blackburn"
>> <kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com
>>>>> 
>>>> To: "'Standard Cornish discussion list'" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] yesterday's BIG surprise
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Craig wrote 'There flew Baner Peran for all to see'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I noticed that too - and also what I thought was a gig with the
>>>>> Baner Peran
>>>>> on as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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