[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

Jon Mills j.mills at email.com
Tue May 15 12:25:32 BST 2012

The element  /-gloth/ in  /Cargloth/ may or may not be an instance the lexeme CLEDH. And it is reasonable to assume, as you do, that CW ‹ *cleath*› and Lhuyd's ‹ *klêdh*› are cognate to B kleuz and W clawdd. This may lead some to reconstruct a MC form */klœð/. However */klœð/ is nevertheless pure conjecture. Not all scholars need necessarily come to the same conclusion regarding the MC phonological form. And even if scholars were to agree today regarding such a conjecture, ideas of this nature are likely to change at some point in the future. Thus we are building castles on the sand if we construct our orthography on such conjectural reconstruction of phonology. The Cornish attestations all have <e> or <ea>. It is better, therefore, to spell this word <cledh>.
 Ol an gwella,
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From: Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 05/15/12 11:29 AM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

 I don't. I'm not a place name expert. It's quite possible I'm mistaken. I'll have to defer to the resident place name expert(s). I do, however, believe that CW ‹ *cleath*› and Lhuyd's ‹ *klêdh*› is cognate to B kleuz and W clawdd and that the reconstructed MC cognate was */klœð/.

 On May 15, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Jon Mills wrote:
How can one be sure that the element  /-gloth/ in  /Cargloth/ is the lexeme CLEDH?

Dan writes,

Here are the attestations:
cleath (CW), klêdh (Lh), cledh (Pr); (pl.) kledhioụ (Lh), cledhiou (Pr);

While there is no *cluth, *cloth, *clueth or *clevth which would point towards a front rounded vowel, the attestations clearly go back to the full grade */klœð/ root (B kleuz, W clawdd) as there is no reason for a i-mutated /klað/. 

There is also the place name Cargloth where the second element does show a rounded vowel. Since all the textual attestations here are rather late it is not surprising that they would show */œ/ in its unrounded reflex. But since there's also the place name and I should agree with Craig that (critically examined) place names are highly relevant to the reconstruction of Cornish forms, we do have grounds to reconstruct */klœð/, hence SWFt ‹ *cleudh*›. I should say ‹ *cleudh*› is correct. 

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 Dr. Jon Mills, 
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