[Spellyans] Plural forms
Nicky Rowe
nickyrowe at gmail.com
Thu May 31 18:14:07 BST 2012
Thanks Andrew
Orthography isn't a problem for just specifying the rules. When localising,
the translator would give forms of the noun for each rule, in the
orthography they're using, with a code such as Yma $1
{{PLURAL:gath|hath|cath}}, where $1 is the number, and the correct mutation
is shown - 2 gath, 3 hath, 4 cath. What I'm trying to build are the
underlying rules for plurals - so the computer knows which word to display
next to which number. The orthography of the words themselves is given by
the translator, not by these rules.
A rule for larger numbers can be created - the code would then be
{{PLURAL:gath|hath|cath|a gathes}}. But we would have to agree on which
numbers it happens to (other orthographies can still be accommodated within
the rules for KK/SWF/KS), and I would need a full list of ranges.
The rules for Breton have been added, and from the looks of it there are
similar issues to Cornish. See http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/2886 -
if we can specify the rules like that then we can get them added, and have
correctly mutated plurals wherever Cornish is used in technology. Like I
said orthography really isn't an issue, this only deals with the numbers.
Nicky
On 31 May 2012 16:34, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
> Nicky,
>
> The rules are not quite that simple, and the rules may change with
> different orthographies, e.g. in Late Cornish, there may be no mutation
> after the numbers 1 or 2. You will need to check. Also, KK will have
> <kath>; KS will have <cath> for the non-mutated form.
> Anyway, after the number 1, all masculine nouns remain unaffected.
>
> There are masculine and feminine forms for the numbers 2, 3 and 4, so “x”
> (in your example for rule 1) will not be a constant for the numbers 2, 22,
> 42, 62 and 82. Nor will “x” be a constant in your rule 2.
>
> The number 1000 causes soft mutation so your rule 3 is false. You will
> need at least one more rule.
>
> The noun is singular after small numbers (like the ones quoted here) but
> at some point they become plural with much larger numbers.
> In that case, the noun will be preceded by <a> “of”, and this will cause
> soft mutation.
>
> I hope that this helps.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> *From:* Nicky Rowe <nickyrowe at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:07 AM
> *To:* Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> *Subject:* [Spellyans] Plural forms
>
> I'm trying to get the correct plural rules for Cornish added to various
> localisation projects (so that correct mutation is shown with different
> numbers), but I want to check that I've got it right. I've identified three
> rules:
>
> 1. Number is 1, 2, 21, 22, 41, 42, 61, 62, 81 or 82
> 2. Number is 3, 23, 43, 63 or 83
> 3. All other numbers
>
> So for example, for rule 1 it would appear as x gath, for rule 2 as x
> hath, and rule 3 as x cath. Are these rules correct?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nicky
>
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