[Spellyans] kemeres

Nicky Rowe nickyrowe at gmail.com
Sun May 13 21:30:34 IST 2012


>
> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and
> ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <*kollverk*> "an apostrophe", "
> *kollverkys*> "apostrophes".
>

This is a compound word "loss mark" like pellgowser and pednglin. The SWF
spec says they have "secondary stress".

-he words also keep secondary stress, i.e. gwellhe, gwadnhe, etc (same as
KS). The reason for this comes from *gwadn hez *used in Nebbaz Gerriau.

Nicky



On 13 May 2012 00:50, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:

> **
> I find that this system is quite difficult. Perhaps it is just a lack of
> explanation. My examples are from MAGA's new  .pdf  dictionary:
>
> With some words, we get the expected result, e.g. <*bomm*> "a blow"/"a
> crash", <*bommel*> "a buffer", <*bomellow*> "buffers".
>
> It's not quite as simple as that.
> Sometimes we have a prefix that ends in the same letter as the word to
> which it is prefixed, e.g. <*howllennow*> "parasols". This is quite
> reasonable.
>
> Sometimes we have a prefix with a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and
> ‹rr›), e.g. <*kemmyn*> "common", <*kemynskrif*> "a will". So far, so good.
>
> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and
> ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <*kollverk*> "an apostrophe", "
> *kollverkys*> "apostrophes".
> At first, this appears to be at odds with <*bomellow*> above. Then we
> have <*koloryon*> "a male loser" which seems to conform.
> We have <*jynner*> "a male mechanic" but <*jynores*> "a female mechanic".
> These are derivatives of <*jynn*> "engine".
> Then we have <*jynnweyth*> "machinery" and <*jynnweythek*> "mechanical",
> where <*jynn*> is a prefix in a compound word.
> We also have <*gwellhe*> "to improve". Are we saying that this is a
> compound word rather than a derivative?
> I also found <*ombellhe*> "to withdraw" and <*ollgallosow*> (apparently
> the plural of <*ollgallos*> "an omnipotence".)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
>  *From:* Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:51 AM
> *To:* Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
>
> Double consonants in pre-tonic, unstressed position are only simplified in
> the cases of ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›.
> Dan
>
>  On May 11, 2012, at 11:17 PM, A. J. Trim wrote:
>
>  However:-
>
> This is different from the SWF <*attes*> "comfort" but <*attesva*>
> "comfort station" / "lavatory".
> Why is this not <*atesva*>?
>
> We also have SWF <*attamya*> "to tackle", <*abattiow*> "abbeys", <*
> addyansow*> "additions", <*Bouddieth*>*  "Buddhism", <*apperya*> "to
> feature", and <*robbyoryon*> "robbers".
> Why do we have a double letter after an unstressed vowel in these words?
>
> [ * Also, why not <*Bouddiedh*>* . Does this have something in common
> with <*nowyth*>? As I understand it, the SWF rule is final <-*dh*> when
> unstressed.]
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
>  *From:* Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:54 PM
> *To:* Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
>
> No. The <mm> or <bm> is written only after a stressed vowel.
> After an unstressed vowel as in <kemeres> the consonant is written
> singular.
> This is the same as dallath but dalethys, or tyller but tyleryow,
> cannas/cadnas but canasow.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
>  On 10 May 2012, at 14:47, Jon Mills wrote:
>
> Should it not be written *kemmeres / kebmeres* ?
>
>
>
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