[Spellyans] kemeres

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Sun May 13 21:56:58 IST 2012


I can see how there can be "secondary stress" in some words of 3  
syllables or more, but...in a bisyllabic word?  Not convinced.

Craig



On 13 Me 2012, at 21:30, Nicky Rowe wrote:

> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›,  
> ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an  
> apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".
>
> This is a compound word "loss mark" like pellgowser and pednglin.  
> The SWF spec says they have "secondary stress".
>
> -he words also keep secondary stress, i.e. gwellhe, gwadnhe, etc  
> (same as KS). The reason for this comes from gwadn hez used in  
> Nebbaz Gerriau.
>
> Nicky
>
>
>
> On 13 May 2012 00:50, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
> I find that this system is quite difficult. Perhaps it is just a  
> lack of explanation. My examples are from MAGA's new  .pdf   
> dictionary:
>
> With some words, we get the expected result, e.g. <bomm> "a blow"/"a  
> crash", <bommel> "a buffer", <bomellow> "buffers".
>
> It's not quite as simple as that.
> Sometimes we have a prefix that ends in the same letter as the word  
> to which it is prefixed, e.g. <howllennow> "parasols". This is quite  
> reasonable.
>
> Sometimes we have a prefix with a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›,  
> ‹nn› and ‹rr›), e.g. <kemmyn> "common", <kemynskrif> "a will". So  
> far, so good.
>
> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›,  
> ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an  
> apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".
> At first, this appears to be at odds with <bomellow> above. Then we  
> have <koloryon> "a male loser" which seems to conform.
> We have <jynner> "a male mechanic" but <jynores> "a female  
> mechanic". These are derivatives of <jynn> "engine".
> Then we have <jynnweyth> "machinery" and <jynnweythek> "mechanical",  
> where <jynn> is a prefix in a compound word.
> We also have <gwellhe> "to improve". Are we saying that this is a  
> compound word rather than a derivative?
> I also found <ombellhe> "to withdraw" and <ollgallosow> (apparently  
> the plural of <ollgallos> "an omnipotence".)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew J. Trim
>
>
>
> From: Daniel Prohaska
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:51 AM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
>
> Double consonants in pre-tonic, unstressed position are only  
> simplified in the cases of ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›.
> Dan
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 11:17 PM, A. J. Trim wrote:
>
>> However:-
>>
>> This is different from the SWF <attes> "comfort" but <attesva>  
>> "comfort station" / "lavatory".
>> Why is this not <atesva>?
>>
>> We also have SWF <attamya> "to tackle", <abattiow> "abbeys",  
>> <addyansow> "additions", <Bouddieth>*  "Buddhism", <apperya> "to  
>> feature", and <robbyoryon> "robbers".
>> Why do we have a double letter after an unstressed vowel in these  
>> words?
>>
>> [ * Also, why not <Bouddiedh>* . Does this have something in common  
>> with <nowyth>? As I understand it, the SWF rule is final <-dh> when  
>> unstressed.]
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andrew J. Trim
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Nicholas Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:54 PM
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
>>
>> No. The <mm> or <bm> is written only after a stressed vowel.
>> After an unstressed vowel as in <kemeres> the consonant is written  
>> singular.
>> This is the same as dallath but dalethys, or tyller but tyleryow,  
>> cannas/cadnas but canasow.
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2012, at 14:47, Jon Mills wrote:
>>
>>> Should it not be written kemmeres / kebmeres ?
>>
>>
>>
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