[Spellyans] kemeres

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Mon May 14 01:50:31 IST 2012


Nicky,

Thanks. However, I’m not convinced that <pellgowser> can have a secondary stress on the first syllable, even though the SWF spec. says that it does. Surely, it’s stressed as pellGOWSer.

Should the <-he> words all be written as two words, e.g. <gwadn he>, <gwell ha>, <spladn howgh> , <ombèll hes>, etc.?


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim


From: Nicky Rowe 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:30 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres

  However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".


This is a compound word "loss mark" like pellgowser and pednglin. The SWF spec says they have "secondary stress".

-he words also keep secondary stress, i.e. gwellhe, gwadnhe, etc (same as KS). The reason for this comes from gwadn hez used in Nebbaz Gerriau.

Nicky




On 13 May 2012 00:50, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:

  I find that this system is quite difficult. Perhaps it is just a lack of explanation. My examples are from MAGA's new  .pdf  dictionary:

  With some words, we get the expected result, e.g. <bomm> "a blow"/"a crash", <bommel> "a buffer", <bomellow> "buffers".

  It's not quite as simple as that.
  Sometimes we have a prefix that ends in the same letter as the word to which it is prefixed, e.g. <howllennow> "parasols". This is quite reasonable.

  Sometimes we have a prefix with a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), e.g. <kemmyn> "common", <kemynskrif> "a will". So far, so good.

  However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".
  At first, this appears to be at odds with <bomellow> above. Then we have <koloryon> "a male loser" which seems to conform.
  We have <jynner> "a male mechanic" but <jynores> "a female mechanic". These are derivatives of <jynn> "engine".
  Then we have <jynnweyth> "machinery" and <jynnweythek> "mechanical", where <jynn> is a prefix in a compound word.
  We also have <gwellhe> "to improve". Are we saying that this is a compound word rather than a derivative?
  I also found <ombellhe> "to withdraw" and <ollgallosow> (apparently the plural of <ollgallos> "an omnipotence".)


  Regards,

  Andrew J. Trim



  From: Daniel Prohaska 
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:51 AM
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres

  Double consonants in pre-tonic, unstressed position are only simplified in the cases of ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›. 
  Dan

  On May 11, 2012, at 11:17 PM, A. J. Trim wrote:


    However:-

    This is different from the SWF <attes> "comfort" but <attesva> "comfort station" / "lavatory".
    Why is this not <atesva>?

    We also have SWF <attamya> "to tackle", <abattiow> "abbeys", <addyansow> "additions", <Bouddieth>*  "Buddhism", <apperya> "to feature", and <robbyoryon> "robbers". 
    Why do we have a double letter after an unstressed vowel in these words?

    [ * Also, why not <Bouddiedh>* . Does this have something in common with <nowyth>? As I understand it, the SWF rule is final <-dh> when unstressed.]


    Regards,

    Andrew J. Trim




    From: Nicholas Williams 
    Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:54 PM
    To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
    Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres

    No. The <mm> or <bm> is written only after a stressed vowel. 
    After an unstressed vowel as in <kemeres> the consonant is written singular.
    This is the same as dallath but dalethys, or tyller but tyleryow, cannas/cadnas but canasow.

    Nicholas


    On 10 May 2012, at 14:47, Jon Mills wrote:


      Should it not be written kemmeres / kebmeres ?



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