[Spellyans] kemeres

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Mon May 14 23:59:38 IST 2012


On May 14, 2012, at 2:50 AM, A. J. Trim wrote:

> Nicky,
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> Thanks. However, I’m not convinced that <pellgowser> can have a secondary stress on the first syllable, even though the SWF spec. says that it does. Surely, it’s stressed as pellGOWSer.


The stress pattern you mention above is correct, but ‹pell› is considered a word, so it's ‹pell› + ‹kowser› and the double consonant remains. 


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> Should the <-he> words all be written as two words, e.g. <gwadn he>, <gwell ha>, <spladn howgh> , <ombèll hes>, etc.?

No, I don't think anyone would want that.
Dan

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> Regards,
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> Andrew J. Trim
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> From: Nicky Rowe
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:30 PM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
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> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".
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> This is a compound word "loss mark" like pellgowser and pednglin. The SWF spec says they have "secondary stress".
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> -he words also keep secondary stress, i.e. gwellhe, gwadnhe, etc (same as KS). The reason for this comes from gwadn hez used in Nebbaz Gerriau.
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> Nicky
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> On 13 May 2012 00:50, A. J. Trim <ajtrim at msn.com> wrote:
> I find that this system is quite difficult. Perhaps it is just a lack of explanation. My examples are from MAGA's new  .pdf  dictionary:
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> With some words, we get the expected result, e.g. <bomm> "a blow"/"a crash", <bommel> "a buffer", <bomellow> "buffers".
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> It's not quite as simple as that.
> Sometimes we have a prefix that ends in the same letter as the word to which it is prefixed, e.g. <howllennow> "parasols". This is quite reasonable.
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> Sometimes we have a prefix with a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), e.g. <kemmyn> "common", <kemynskrif> "a will". So far, so good.
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> However, if the prefix ends in a double letter (i.e. ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›), the double letter is retained, e.g. <kollverk> "an apostrophe", "kollverkys> "apostrophes".
> At first, this appears to be at odds with <bomellow> above. Then we have <koloryon> "a male loser" which seems to conform.
> We have <jynner> "a male mechanic" but <jynores> "a female mechanic". These are derivatives of <jynn> "engine".
> Then we have <jynnweyth> "machinery" and <jynnweythek> "mechanical", where <jynn> is a prefix in a compound word.
> We also have <gwellhe> "to improve". Are we saying that this is a compound word rather than a derivative?
> I also found <ombellhe> "to withdraw" and <ollgallosow> (apparently the plural of <ollgallos> "an omnipotence".)
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> Regards,
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> Andrew J. Trim
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> From: Daniel Prohaska
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:51 AM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
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> Double consonants in pre-tonic, unstressed position are only simplified in the cases of ‹ll›, ‹mm›, ‹nn› and ‹rr›.
> Dan
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> On May 11, 2012, at 11:17 PM, A. J. Trim wrote:
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>> However:-
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>> This is different from the SWF <attes> "comfort" but <attesva> "comfort station" / "lavatory".
>> Why is this not <atesva>?
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>> We also have SWF <attamya> "to tackle", <abattiow> "abbeys", <addyansow> "additions", <Bouddieth>*  "Buddhism", <apperya> "to feature", and <robbyoryon> "robbers".
>> Why do we have a double letter after an unstressed vowel in these words?
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>> [ * Also, why not <Bouddiedh>* . Does this have something in common with <nowyth>? As I understand it, the SWF rule is final <-dh> when unstressed.]
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>> Regards,
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>> Andrew J. Trim
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>> From: Nicholas Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:54 PM
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] kemeres
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>> No. The <mm> or <bm> is written only after a stressed vowel.
>> After an unstressed vowel as in <kemeres> the consonant is written singular.
>> This is the same as dallath but dalethys, or tyller but tyleryow, cannas/cadnas but canasow.
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>> Nicholas
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>> On 10 May 2012, at 14:47, Jon Mills wrote:
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>>> Should it not be written kemmeres / kebmeres ?
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