[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Tue May 15 15:27:01 IST 2012


I've been called worse things....
Craig


On 15 Me 2012, at 14:34, Daniel Prohaska wrote:

> Sorry "Craig" --- bloody Mac spell checker….
>
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Craif, very helpful, keep 'em coming!!!
>> This indeed points towards a front rounded vowel for earlier Middle  
>> Cornish. Of course the tendency would be to unround at a  
>> comparatively early date as the word occurs in the unstressed  
>> second element. The lexeme would have retained the rounding longer,  
>> yet the earliest textual attestation is from 1611, in CW  
>> ‹cleath›.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 15, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>
>>> CARGLOTH:  Carglodan 1375;  Cargluthan 1432;  Carglothe 1590;   
>>> Carglith 1748.  ker + cledh (dim. form).
>>>
>>> BOLSTER BANK: Cleuth 1602;  Cleath, Clay 1733;  Kleth 1740;   
>>> Cleath, Kleth 1778.
>>>
>>> (MENGLETH, "quarry")
>>> PIT'S MINGLE:  (no available historic forms)
>>> Maengluthion 1320 (Roche - lost place-name)
>>> Pengluthio 1575 (Ladock - lost place-name.  Questionable if this  
>>> is a pl. form of *mengleth)
>>>
>>> (MONGLETH, "open-cast mine")
>>> MONGLEATH:  Mungluth 1308, 1350, 1530;  Mongluthe 1313;   
>>> Mungleath, Mungloeth 1316;  Moungleth 1460;  Monglyth 1480;   
>>> Monglegh 1499;  Munglyth 1523;  Mongler 1590;  Mungleth 1623;   
>>> Monglar 1766;  Munglar 1804.
>>> TRUNGLE:  Trevonglet 1283;  Trevongluth 1302;  Trevengloth 1313;   
>>> Trevingluth 1317;  Trevungleith 1322;  Trewonglyth 1395;   
>>> Trewoyngluth 1428;  Trevonglyth 1429, 1668;  Trevounglethe 1561;   
>>> Trevongleth, Treungle 1600, 1668;  Treungle 1634 (+ tre-)
>>> (NB. Late dropping of -th in both names)
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Me 2012, at 11:22, Jon Mills wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can one be sure that the element -gloth in Cargloth is the  
>>>> lexeme CLEDH?
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dan writes,
>>>>> Here are the attestations:
>>>>> cleath (CW), klêdh (Lh), cledh (Pr); (pl.) kledhioụ (Lh),  
>>>>> cledhiou (Pr);
>>>>>
>>>>> While there is no *cluth, *cloth, *clueth or *clevth which would  
>>>>> point towards a front rounded vowel, the attestations clearly go  
>>>>> back to the full grade */klœð/ root (B kleuz, W clawdd) as  
>>>>> there is no reason for a i-mutated /klað/.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also the place name Cargloth where the second element  
>>>>> does show a rounded vowel. Since all the textual attestations  
>>>>> here are rather late it is not surprising that they would show */ 
>>>>> œ/ in its unrounded reflex. But since there's also the place  
>>>>> name and I should agree with Craig that (critically examined)  
>>>>> place names are highly relevant to the reconstruction of Cornish  
>>>>> forms, we do have grounds to reconstruct */klœð/, hence SWFt  
>>>>> ‹cleudh›. I should say ‹cleudh› is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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