[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Tue May 15 21:06:37 IST 2012


Hi, Ewan,

I can't say - I've never read it and am not familiar with it.

Craig



On 15 Me 2012, at 21:11, ewan wilson wrote:

> Hi, Craig!
>
> Does this mean you reckon P. Schrijver's book, which  initially  
> sounds most tantalising, may not be worth tracking down and shelling  
> out for?
>
> Ewan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Weatherhill
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?
>
> "Conventional wisdom" has to be treated with care, too.
>
> "Conventional wisdom" said, for a long time - and still does in  
> certain quarters - that the Celts and their language originated in  
> mid-Europe and only "invaded" Britain at the onset of the Iron Age.   
> This all arose from a misreading of Herodotus, who believed the  
> Celtic homelands to be near the headwaters of the Danube.  If  
> Victorian and later commentators had troubled to read on, they'd  
> have found that Herodotus also believed the Danube to rise in the  
> Pyrenees.  In which case he was pretty well right, and much-quoted  
> sites like Halstatt (c.800 BC) and La Tene (c.200 BC) are much too  
> late in date to be relevant to origins.  There was no large scale  
> "invasion" at the start of the Iron Age.  That this "conventional  
> wisdom" was so long-lived is quite astonishing.
>
> It is now held (Cunliffe, Renfrew, Koch, Waddell et al) that proto- 
> Celtic developed from Indo-European on the Atlantic fringes of  
> Europe in the late Mesolithic or early Neolithic and spread  
> northward (much in parallel with the megalith-building tradition) to  
> Britain and Ireland as a common language of the Neolithic sea- 
> trading nations.  Division into Q-Celtic and P-Celtic is now  
> tentatively placed in the Bronze Age.
>
> (I shall be working with Prof. Sir Barry Cunliffe soon, as he's  
> intending to do work at Chun Castle, and he's been in touch with me  
> about it.  I hope to learn a whole lot more).
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> On 15 Me 2012, at 10:10, Linus Band wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid that I must disagree on the date of divergence.No trait  
>> has been found that distinguishes Cornish from Breton, or the other  
>> way around, before the appearance of the Vocabularium Cornicum  
>> (somewhere between 1100-1200). (Cf. P. Schrijver, 'Old  
>> British',Brythonic Celtic, from Medieval British to Modern Breton,  
>> Elmar Ternes (ed.) (Bremen 2011) 4, 34 f.)
>> As for the significance of reconstructed forms, they are an  
>> important tool that can help us make sense of Traditional Cornish  
>> spelling. It is of course not 100% foolproof, but so is the  
>> analysis and interpretation of graphemes. Both should be used with  
>> care.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Linus
>>
>> 2012/5/15 Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
>> On 15 May 2012, at 09:22, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>
>> > I used the word "largely", having our 5th-10th century inscribed  
>> stones in mind.  Many of the names on them are British, albeit  
>> slightly altered to suit Latin orthography.  Taking that into  
>> consideration, they represent our only known written British.
>> > Charles Thomas's book on Cornish and Welsh inscribed stone: "And  
>> Shall these Mute Stones Speak" (University of Wales Press 1994) is  
>> of great assistance in this subject.
>>
>> I haven't seen that book, but conventional wisdom is that by 600 CE  
>> British had already developed into forms of Welsh, Cumbric,  
>> Cornish, and Breton. I'd be surprised if 10th-century stones were  
>> in much older language. But I really ought to get hold of that  
>> book, if for no other reason but to see if there are fonts that  
>> could be designed from it. :-)
>>
>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>
>>
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