[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?
daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Sun May 20 11:27:39 IST 2012
On May 15, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:
> Such an approach will inevitably lead to a complete mishmash, sometimes allowing older forms if attested, but taking only later forms if that is all that is attested.
I agree, a mishmash that many people didn't like about UC in the first place and went for the overregularised KK instead. I believe there are forms that are more conjectural than others. The word ‹cleudh› is one of the less conjectural ones in my opinion. And Jon appears to agree. There are plenty of RC users who aspire to distinguishing /œ(ː)/ from /ɛ(ː)/ and from /y(ː)/, at least two pre-SWF orthographies do this directly (KK, UCR) and others indirectly (RLC, UC to some degree).
> The various historical phases of Breton and Welsh are both there for comparative purposes; in a language as relatively poorly documented as Cornish, surely every available piece of evidence should be used.
I fully agree.
> I would have thought plausibly reconstructed forms should be allowed. If members of this list cannot agree on the basic goalposts, what is the point?
> Steve Hewitt
Yes, I agree. But we have to discriminate against forms where the conjectural for is at odds with the actual attested forms, as in the case of **Whevrer, **Kernewek and **Iwerdhon etc. where the evidence clearly shows that ‹Whevrel›, ‹Kernowek› and ‹Wordhen› are 'more' correct.
> From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Nicholas Williams
> Sent: 15 May 2012 15:05
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?
> Hear! Hear! And the same is true for 'March' and 'Tuesday'. These should be spelt in the revived language with the attested vowel: mis Merth and de Merth. Anything else is speculative rather than authentic.
> On 15 May 2012, at 12:25, Jon Mills wrote:
> And even if scholars were to agree today regarding such a conjecture, ideas of this nature are likely to change at some point in the future. Thus we are building castles on the sand if we construct our orthography on such conjectural reconstruction of phonology. The Cornish attestations all have <e> or <ea>. It is better, therefore, to spell this word <cledh>.
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