[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Sun May 20 14:07:53 IST 2012

On May 16, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Christian Semmens wrote:

> I think a lot of first time learners don't care if Cornish is written
> in Cyrillic, Hangul or Ogham as long as it is "officially" Cornish.

Agreed. I would prefer Tengwar. Love the look of it!

> They accept what is presented to them as Cornish. This means that, to
> the uninitiated, anything is Cornish if that is what they are told it
> is. I doubt that any serious, first-time learner cares much for the
> wars, they will pick a camp and sit in it, they may change their minds
> as they learn, or they may not, but I doubt they would be disuaded
> from continuing. As for the casual learner, they will probably be
> blissfully unaware of the wars and just learn from what they bought.


> How ever you spell stuff, there will be variability in pronunciation
> front loaded by the particular accent of English (or other language)
> the learner brings to it. The sad devastating decline in Cornish
> accents in the new generations mean that learners will be starting
> from an increasingly distant point from the language, especially if
> they come at it from the all smothering, vowel strangulation of
> English RP.

Oh yes, mega-cringe for some speakers… won't mention any names ;-) Personally, I love Richard Gendall's pronunciation of Cornish. It sounds like a real language…

> Having an orthography that matches a preferred
> pronunciation (perferrably one that actually sounds like it came from
> the mouth of a Cornishman) is a definite help. And if it helps top
> provide you with word forms that are similar or the same as those
> actually written in the manuscripts, this would help you to further
> your studies in to the historical sources.
> Christian
> On 16 May 2012 21:54, ewan wilson <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> I can see where Ray is coming from on this.
>> I do wonder if 'apathy' or possible waning enthusiasm for the language is
>> not down to the fact most learners are not high powered linguistics experts
>> and so much of the hotly argued minutiae of things like degrees of stress,
> It is, however, essential that this be done as we are attempting to
> bind the camps together. However this SWF process now seems to be
> merely a way to tear the unused phonology away from the ghastly face
> that is KK.
>> etc go right over their heads and the consequent conflicts in orthography
>> and revival 'brands' dissuade folk from investing in a system that might
>> well ultimately be ditched!
>> What is the feeling on the ground, I wonder?
>> Ewan.
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