[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?
daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Sun May 20 19:28:51 IST 2012
For "unveiling" read "unvoicing" … bloody Mac spell checker...
On May 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
> I'm not speaking about how KK speakers mispronounce the language and there are far worse mispronunciations than word-final /ð/ as [θ], and maybe they weren't mispronouncing ‹dh› at all, as KK allows for unveiling before other voiceless consonants, absolute aslant etc. There's a difference for speakers following KK recommendations between ‹Gorsedh Kernow› [θ], and ‹Nowydh yw an carr ma› [ð] (I used SWF/Mt here, with derogation from ‹nowyth› to ‹nowydh›) => [ˈnɔwɪð ɪʊ ən kæɹ mɐ] despite the fact that some speakers would rather say **[ˈnəʊɪθ jʉʊ æn kɑːɹ mæ].
> I'm actually talking about the possibility of word-final /ð/ in unstressed position remaining voiced up until the LC period. But you know this, so I'm not going to harp on about it anymore, because it's becoming a tad tedious….
> On May 20, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
>> On 20 May 2012, at 14:17, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>>> I like the idea of umbrella graphs in the SWF and KS: the orthography has ‹eu›, but people who say [e(ː)] read ‹eu› as /e(ː)/ and people who say [œ(ː)] read ‹eu› as /œ(ː)/.
>>> By the same token we could have the same principle applied to word final ‹dh› and ‹th›: write ‹th› where all agree on a voiceless realisation, but write ‹dh› where some pronounce the word with /θ/ and others with /ð/.
>> Except that KK users I have heard do not have final unstressed /ð/. This includes a number of their teachers and a number of members of Gorseth Kernow.
>> If I had heard them say /ð/ instead of /θ/ I would have reported it.
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