[Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

deliabrotherton at aol.com deliabrotherton at aol.com
Mon May 21 13:51:18 IST 2012

Oh please, you do really make it sound as if the world of Cornish speakers has been littered with sandal wearing idiots since Nance.  What is the point of picking up on isolated observations..." water from the well rather than through metal pipes" (which actually makes sense to many people especially with the old system of lead pipes) when it is entirely irrelevant to the argument?  So what if his sister makes comments, it might have been said with affection, and what on earth has that got to do with UC?  He maintained a friendship with Jenner which was not destroyed by their different views.

Are you going to criticise Craig because he is angry about the Lands End ethnic cleansing issue?  People have extreme views and come to odd conclusions but you don't have to take any notice of them.  Everyone is influenced by their surroundings and the moment in time and history, often without realising it.  If Nance UC is so wrong then make the case for correcting it but please don't just keep knocking it, some of us like it, use it, and will carry on using it with changes and additions as they seem appropriate.

I must stop reading these, I'm supposed to be studing for exams!

Delia Brotherton

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From: Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Is there a future for the SWF?

In spelling, yes. In vocabulary and morphology, however, Nance had his own purist ideas.
Nance's shift from Jenner's orthography (based to some extent on the later language) to UC seems, in part at least, to have been driven by Nance's desire to be archaic, medieval, and distinctly anti-modern.
This was related to Nance's dislike of technological advance. 

C. Morton Raymont says of Nance's house at Nancecledra:

All water had to be carried into the house from the well, and he thought this ideal, remarking that it was desecration of water to bring it through metal pipes' (quoted in Pool (ed.), A Glossary of Cornish Sea-Words (1963), page 14.

Amy Baker writes of Nance:

…and at that time I remember walking up Nancecledra Hill with Mr Nance when the first telegraph poles were being erected between Penzance and St Ives. We both hated the sight of them, and he suddenly turned to me and said "Do you think we could ill-wish them away?" ibid., page 15.

UC deliberately went back to the 15th century, but Nance actually concentrated on the Passion Poem——from the 14th century. In consequence UC is archaic even for Middle Cornish. For example in proscribing any of the analogical developments in y'm beus, for using the conditional byen, dodhyen, carsen as pluperfect. Nance also failed to recognise that the future was usually made in Cornish with mynnes, e.g. me a vyn mos; and that om- for reflexives was already obsolescent in the MC period. 

Nance was born in 1873 and thus into the age of the Gothic Revival, Pugin (1834-75), the Pre-Raphaelites and Tennyson's Idylls of the King. Much of contemporary medievalism was a reaction to the dirt and squalor of industrial Britain. And remember that he himself was born and grew up in industrial South Wales; for many years he lived and worked in London. Nance did not actually come to live in Cornwall until 1906 when he was 33.

Nance was primarily an antiquarian and illustrator, not a linguist. It seems to me a pity that UC, the dominant form of Cornish from 1928 to 1986, was inspired as much by a particular aesthetic as by linguistic criteria.


On 21 May 2012, at 11:09, Ray Chubb wrote:

 because he wanted everyday written Cornish to appear as historically accurate as possible.

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