[Spellyans] SWF Review

Ken MacKinnon ken at ferintosh.org
Wed Sep 19 10:25:10 IST 2012

Meur ras dhysso-jy, Jenefer.


This is most helpful, and provides  very useful and re-assuring information.


I am due to attend British & Irish Council events in Cardiff 8-9 Nov - and
note you are due to attend likewise.   We may have opportunity for further
discussion.    Will Mike Tresidder be coming as well?


Viajow saw, ha sowena y'n ober - Ken


From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]
On Behalf Of Lowe Jenefer
Sent: 18 September 2012 17:22
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF Review


Dear all,

 I feel I have to comment on the email sent by Mina as it does not reflect
my experience in working with the people mentioned at all. The Cornish
language community has an unfortunate tendency to cling to preconceptions
and labels which are often without foundation and serve only to prolong and
promote divisions, which is regrettable.  I am not commenting on the choice
of members for the Review Board as this was a matter for the Management
Board, but am concerned to note our experience.  Jori has served as head of
the translation group for a few years working firstly across all
orthographies and latterly with the SWF which has given him an excellent
knowledge of the advantages and problems found by those from all backgrounds
in using it. From the days of leading the strategy group onwards we have
found him very fair in terms of his attitude to other orthographies. Neil
remains committed to Modern Cornish but equally has worked with the SWF and
is particularly keen to ensure that the SWF is capable of use by Modern
Cornish speakers. Maureen and Polin have both published in SWF and used it
in teaching. I have no doubt that everyone, given a free choice, would be
inclined to take the SWF nearer to the orthographic form they have mainly
used and prefer, but it does not follow that that will cloud their judgement
or render them incapable of seeing things from other points of view. Neil
and Polin have both worked with the SWF dictionary board as well. Esme comes
originally from a Unified background, but is a member of An Kylgh Kernewek
and uses the SWF for teaching. 

 What backgrounds people are from does not necessarily affect their ability
to be fair and weigh evidence and support appropriately and it is vastly
unfair to pre-judge and categorise in this way. If anyone has an issue with
the way in which the Board has worked once in operation, then a complaint
may legitimately be raised at that point.


Jenefer Lowe

Development Manager / Dyghtyer displegya

Cornish Language Partnership / Keskowethyans an Taves Kernewek

Cornwall Council / Konsel Kernow

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From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net]
On Behalf Of Mina Dresser
Sent: 17 September 2012 19:14
To: spellyans at kernowek.net
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF Review


In reply to Ken's email.

Vanessa was originally  a 'unified' speaker, Albert B is  of course SWF,
Neil was 'Modern' Cornish. Jory a diehard Kemmyn speaker. Polin Prys and
particularly Maureen  Pierce are both 'fanatic' kemmyn speakers and   very
very anti Modern.     Both ladies told me just a few weeks ago that they
were not in favour of the SWF even though they had to support it,  and I
gathered they would prefer the SWF to be further inclined towards Kemmyn. I
don't know Esme - have not even heard her name.Hope that helps. 


This review board is very light weight. Can someone explain please what its
job will be.  Apart from Albert and possibly Neil, no one is 

anywhere close to being a linguist. It will be Treyarnon all over again,
with no "real" experts on the committee.  


I suggest that something be done about the composition of this board.
Regards Mina

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken MacKinnon <ken at ferintosh.org>
To: 'Standard Cornish discussion list' <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:50
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF Review

A gowetha,


The message below from Jenefer gives details of the SWF review group.  Can
you identify which aspects of the Cornish language movement each of these
names represents? 


   - an ken Ken


Prof Ken MacKinnon,

Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,

The Black Isle, by Dingwall,

Ross-shire  IV7 8HX   Scotland /UK

Tel: 01349 - 863460  E-mail: ken at ferintosh.org



Kesva Dhaswel an FSS henwys / SWF Review Board Appointed


Pur dha yw genen deklarya henwyn an ombroforyon re beu dewisys avel eseli
Kesva Dhaswel an FSS. Ny a wor grassow meur dhe bubonan nep re ombrofyas rag
an ober ma - nyns o es rag Kesva Dhyghtya an Keskowethyans ervira yntra
kemmys a bobel da.  Agan govenek yw pubonan a wrug ombrofya dhe gemeres ran
y'n argerdh yn un profya aga thybyansow hag omjunnya y'n keskowsow dres an
vledhen nessa.


Na wreugh ankevi bos kedhlow adro dhe'n argerdh ha formow dhe worra yn rag
testennow ha tybyansow war'n wiasva lemmyn.


We are very pleased to announce the names of those who have been appointd to
the SWF Review Board. We are very grateful to all who put themselves forward
- it was not an easy task for the Partnership Board to decide from so many
excellent applications. We hope that all those who applied will be able to
play a full part in the process through offering their ideas and joining in
the discussions during the next twelve months.


Don't forget that details of the process and forms for submission of topics
for consideration are now on the website.



Kesva Dhaswel an FSS / SWF Review Board 


Jori Ansell


Vanessa Beeman (Chair)


Albert Bock


Neil Kennedy


Maureen Pierce


Polin Prys


Esme Tackley


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