[Spellyans] in me, in you, etc.

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Thu Apr 18 15:04:37 IST 2013


Nicholas, 
I agree with this assessment. The forms with ‹et-› should only be used, where desired, in the third person as well as before the definite article and some possessive adjectives (e.g.: ‹et o focket› 'in my pocket'). 
Dan


On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Williams wrote:

> In his Student's Grammar of Modern Cornish (1991) Gendall gives the paradigm of the preposition pronouns 'in me, in you' etc. as follows:
> 
> ettam
> ettas
> etten/eta/ena
> ette
> etton
> etto
> ettanz/ et angy (GMC: 107).
> 
> Later in the book however he cites the attested forms as follows:
> 
> unnaf, ynnaf
> ynnos, unas sche
> itna, it an, ydn, etten, eta, ena, unna, ynna
> unhy, ynny, yny unny
> ynnon
> --
> ettanz, ittaqnz, ettans, ynna, unna (GMC 160).
> 
> This second list is similar to the paradigm he gives in Tavaz a Ragadazow:
> 
> unnaf
> unnos, unnas she
> etten, itan, ena, eta, itna
> unny,
> innonn, innan nye
> inno
> ittans, ettans, unna (Ragadazow 123).
> 
> It should be noticed, however, that if Gendall had gone back in time a little, he would have found: fatla vgy faith an tasow coth a vam egglys in an sy 'that the faith of the ancient fathers of Mother Church is in them' SA 59a, i.e. inans y, and this would have supplemented his third person plural forms. Indeed inansy in SA looks as though it might have been pronounced in anjy. 
> 
> In the lessons in Ragadazow Gendall uses, for example, ita ve for 'in me', e.g. Trustio ita ve (Ragadazow 58b).
> 
> The forms of this inflected preposition with -t- are attested only the the 3rd person singular and plural. There is no evidence that -t-forms ever occurred in either the first or the second person in Cornish. 
> 
> Jenner in the Handbook gives:
> 
> ennov, idnov, ettov
> ennos, idnos, ettos
> enno, idno, etto
> enni, idni, etti,
> ennon, idnon, etton
> ennough, idnough, ettough
> ennans, idnans, ettans.
> 
> Possibly Gendall was encouraged by Jenner's paradigm to teach such unattested forms as *ettov 'in me', *ettos 'in you', *etton 'in us', etc.
> The great merit of RLC, however, was its claimed authenticity. I wonder whether *ettov, *ettos, *etton can really be considered authentic.
> 
> One could argue that forms like *ita ve are wholesale inventions.
> 
> 
> Nicholas
> 
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