[Spellyans] The sound of r

Clive Baker clive.baker at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 16:34:57 GMT 2013


It was used by and taught to me by Tallek and Peter Poole although only as
a very light trill and never with such a rrrrrr as spoken by the bard you
talk of Craig...his is so obviously false.....as to its validity I can give
no answer but believe that I have heard Nance use the same many many years
ago
Clive
On Dec 11, 2013 4:26 PM, "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:

> I've heard it at a Gorsedh, from an elderly (non-Cornish) bard, intoning
> Cornish like some Biblical prophet of doom.  Rak (rag) was coming out as
> "R-r-r-r-r-r- ak"., rather as once taught in elocution lessons.  I felt so
> embarrassed that spectators were being subjected to Cornish being spoken in
> such an appallingly awful manner which it never had as a community
> language, and which was far more likely to invite ridicule.  In fact, I
> felt rather…err…"browned-off".
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On 2013 Kev 11, at 15:47, Christian Semmens wrote:
>
> > Whilst stumbling around the internet during a quiet few minutes, I came
> upon someone recommending the KDL free language course. I hadn't been over
> that fence for a while so I thought I'd have a listen to the audio.
> >
> > I will make no further comment on it as I am no expert on ancient
> Cornish sounds, I'll leave that for others (although I would be interested
> to hear if anyone thinks those sounds have any merit in revived Cornish at
> all).
> >
> > That took me on to the sounds of r in British and Irish dialects and,
> although it will be no news to others, came across the "bunched r" or
> "molar r" and was surprised to find that I used it too, particularly when
> in Cornwall. Although it may well be the effect on my speech by having
> moved up-country at an early age. It appears that this type of r sound is
> fairly common in the US and Australia. For those of you who still have a
> full-time Cornish accent (mine is oddly dependent upon which side of
> Gordano services I am on), do you also use a bunched r sound or are your r
> sounds the retroflex alveolar appoximant variety or a mix?
> >
> > (I've never heard a Cornishman use an alveolar trill, unless he was
> impersonating a Scotsman)
> >
> > Christian
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