[Spellyans] The sound of r

Ken MacKinnon ken at ferintosh.org
Fri Dec 13 16:33:56 GMT 2013


Very much with you on all this, Jenefer.

 

The first time I was presented with a microphone to use what little Cornish
I had , I dried up completely!

 

The various discussions on this forum on pronunciation have referred
(generally somewhat disparagingly) to Cockney and Estuary English.  The
former was my original native dialect, and as many such speakers have done,
I have graduated to the latter.   My wartime sojourn in Cornwall was no
great influence on my speech as I attended London evacuee schools, but I did
get used to hearing quite a rich immersive presence of West Penwith
vernacular.

 

I feel sure that, as you say, more people using the language together for
social purposes will produce its own living evolution.   And also increased
exposure to good models will have a beneficial effect too.

 

Oll an gwella - Ken

 

From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Lowe
Jenefer
Sent: 13 December 2013 12:41
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] The sound of r

 

May I also point out that when confronted with a microphone, even the best
of speakers will often falter - in any language! For myself I would rather
hear someone speaking naturally and with some questionable pronunciations
thrown in, than hear someone who is so careful about trying to stick to an
aspirational pronunciation (of whatever persuasion) that they lose all
semblance of fluency. 

 

There are also a number of speakers (and I would count myself among them)
who began learning Cornish in the seventies, when a lot of the Cornish
pronunciation around was very English and RP, and have since gone through
quite a number of different iterations. This makes it inevitable that we
have speakers whose Cornish pronunciation is mixed and probably not what
anyone would aspire to - add a microphone and general nervousness and I am
sure it often does not come out as intended! It is also inevitable that as
Cornish speakers come together more, become accustomed to each other's
pronunciation and become more fluent, pronunciation will alter - surely that
is also the sign of a living language? 

 

Jenefer Lowe

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From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Linus
Band
Sent: 13 December 2013 08:55
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] The sound of r

 

May I suggest that if people are so frustrated with the pronunciation on
RanG that they just offer to do some recordings for it every now and then
themselves? I've very often noticed that Matthi was looking for people to
record something for the podcast but no one responded at all. From what I
understand, Matthi is not interested in the 'politics', so I can't see why
anyone would not be allowed to be on the podcast. RanG is the most visible
piece of electronic media that the Cornish language community has and I
think that it should be appreciated how much it does for the community. It's
a fun programme. 

 

All the best,

Linus

 

2013/12/13 Ken MacKinnon <ken at ferintosh.org>

To be fair to MAGA, they represent the Partnership, Craig, they have finite
resources, few paid staff, and a very substantial slate of things which need
to be done.


- an Ken ken

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From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Craig
Weatherhill
Sent: 12 December 2013 21:36
To: Standard Cornish discussion list

Subject: Re: [Spellyans] The sound of r

Yes, not a very good attitude on MAGA's part, is it?

Craig


On 2013 Kev 12, at 20:51, Michael Everson wrote:

> On 12 Dec 2013, at 17:01, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm not prepared to deride some speakers on Radyo an G. for the very
reasons you give, Eddie.  I'd just like them to look more closely at
pronunciation.
>
> I have been offering for years to transcribe some of the recordings MAGA
has, but to date the offer has not been taken up.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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