[Spellyans] cledh etc

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Sun Jan 13 09:45:47 GMT 2013


<oe> in words like <goen> (goon) is very commonly found, but this isn't the case with <eu> in cledh.  There is just a single instance, which might have been a scribal mistake.  Had there been more instances, then I'd have to agree with you, but they aren't there.

Craig



On 2013 Gen 12, at 18:28, Daniel Prohaska wrote:

> But Craig, you value plave name evidence and spellings with <eu, oe, u-e, u> in place names point towards an earlier Middle Cornish *cleudh. 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12.01.2013, at 13:28, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:
> 
>> In my own view, there's no call for -eu- in this word (SWF, KK), other than the fact that Breton has <kleuz> (Welsh has <clawdd>).  There's not much sign of it before the Late Cornish period.
>> 
>> It's <cleath> in CW and <kledh> in Lhuyd.  There is just one -eu- in place-name spellings - the Bolster Bank, St Agnes was Cleuth 1602, Cleath, Clay 1733; Kleth 1740; Cleath, Kleth 1778.
>> 
>> It also occurs in the compounds  mengleth "quarry"; and mongleth, "open-cast mine".
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013 Gen 11, at 22:45, Janice Lobb wrote:
>> 
>>> Dick has  clêdh for a ditch, dyke, trench, cutting, drain and meangledh for quarry
>>> 
>>> whereas SWF has mengleudh for quarry
>>> 
>>> and dowrgleudh for canal
>>> 
>>> Dick has ancledhi for to bury, to inter,
>>> 
>>> cledhez for buried, “ditched”
>>> 
>>> ancladhvah for burial place, cemetery
>>> 
>>> ancledhiaz for interment
>>> 
>>> while SWF has ynkleudhyas for to bury
>>> 
>>> ynkladhva for cemetery, graveyard
>>> 
>>> ynkleudhyans for burial, funeral
>>> 
>>> I prefer the look of Dick’s,  
>>> 
>>> but Q1 is the –eu- vowel justified in SWF?
>>> 
>>> and Q2 is there any connection with sword cledha/kledha?
>>> 
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