[Spellyans] cledh etc

Hewitt, Stephen s.hewitt at unesco.org
Mon Jan 14 11:50:52 GMT 2013


At least it’s even-handed: it also discriminates against speakers of Northern Welsh, who. unlike Southern Welsh speakers,  do not distinguish between <-n-, -r-> and <-nn-, -rr->

From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 14 January 2013 12:48
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

So Welsh orthography derogates against speakers of Southern Welsh dialects where ‹u›, too, is pronounced /i/?
Dan


On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jon Mills wrote:



Pronouncing <u> as [iː]~[i] is counter-intuitive. Such prescription is not helpful to learners of RLC and derogates against the RLC community.
Ol an gwella,
Jon


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From: Michael Everson
Sent: 01/13/13 05:12 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc




On 13 Jan 2013, at 10:07, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com<mailto:janicelobb at gmail.com>> wrote:



> I'm glad you didn't opt for /ue/ which would have been even further from what I would like for Late Cornish. It is the presence of the letter /u/ that causes pronunciation problems. I know this debate is about spelling, but lurking in the background is pronunciation, about which we have no direct evidence. Is it fair that Late Cornish learners have a harder job than Middle Cornish learners in reconciling what they see with what comes out of their mouths?



That is why we distinguish ‹u› which is pronounced [iː]~[i] in Late Cornish from ‹û›/‹ù› which is pronounced [uː]~[ʊ] in Late Cornish.



I know ‹u› looks different from the ‹î› you might be familiar with, but the rules for pronunciation are designed to help in any case.



Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/





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