[Spellyans] cledh etc

Hewitt, Stephen s.hewitt at unesco.org
Tue Jan 15 10:20:58 GMT 2013


I agree with you on all three of these points!
Steve

From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 14 January 2013 18:16
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

Yes, you're right… Another analogous standard written language is the one of Faeroese. It's strongly historicising and very similar to Icelandic and (standardised) Old Norse. None of the Faeroese dialects are accurately represented in writing, but they can all refer to this historicising "roof" and write the standard while speaking their own dialect.

The important general issues for the review are for me.
1) Seeing the traditional graphs established as standard, official, and main form.
2) Sorting out how to represent short /u/, short /o/ and short /y/ ~ /i/ consistently. My preference is ‹u› for short /u/, ‹o› for short /o/ and ‹ü› for short /y/ ~ /i/.
3) Dealing with the distribution of ‹i›, ‹y› and ‹e› in the SWF. My preference is a system where a) ‹i› is spelt where both RMC and RLC have /i(:)/, b) where RMC has ‹y› and RLC ‹e› (‹ë› in reference and teaching material) and c) where RMC and RLC both have ‹e›.

There are a numer of minor technical issues, but these three above a the 'biggies'… Have you sent in your Review forms yet, we've only got until the end of January to give them in…

Dan


On Jan 14, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:


At least it’s even-handed: it also discriminates against speakers of Northern Welsh, who. unlike Southern Welsh speakers,  do not distinguish between <-n-, -r-> and <-nn-, -rr->

From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net<mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net> [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 14 January 2013 12:48
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

So Welsh orthography derogates against speakers of Southern Welsh dialects where ‹u›, too, is pronounced /i/?
Dan


On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jon Mills wrote:




Pronouncing <u> as [iː]~[i] is counter-intuitive. Such prescription is not helpful to learners of RLC and derogates against the RLC community.
Ol an gwella,
Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Everson
Sent: 01/13/13 05:12 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc




On 13 Jan 2013, at 10:07, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com<mailto:janicelobb at gmail.com>> wrote:



> I'm glad you didn't opt for /ue/ which would have been even further from what I would like for Late Cornish. It is the presence of the letter /u/ that causes pronunciation problems. I know this debate is about spelling, but lurking in the background is pronunciation, about which we have no direct evidence. Is it fair that Late Cornish learners have a harder job than Middle Cornish learners in reconciling what they see with what comes out of their mouths?



That is why we distinguish ‹u› which is pronounced [iː]~[i] in Late Cornish from ‹û›/‹ù› which is pronounced [uː]~[ʊ] in Late Cornish.



I know ‹u› looks different from the ‹î› you might be familiar with, but the rules for pronunciation are designed to help in any case.



Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/





_______________________________________________

Spellyans mailing list

Spellyans at kernowek.net<mailto:Spellyans at kernowek.net>

http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net




_____________________________________
Dr. Jon Mills,
University of Kent
http://kent.academia.edu/JonMills _______________________________________________
Spellyans mailing list
Spellyans at kernowek.net<mailto:Spellyans at kernowek.net>
http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net

_______________________________________________
Spellyans mailing list
Spellyans at kernowek.net<mailto:Spellyans at kernowek.net>
http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://kernowek.net/pipermail/spellyans_kernowek.net/attachments/20130115/a52d17f3/attachment-0001.html>


More information about the Spellyans mailing list