[Spellyans] cleudh etc
j.mills at email.com
Wed Jan 16 13:23:38 GMT 2013
Or to be more precise, a shift from a rounded to an unrounded vowel seems to have taken place sometime between 1316 and 1460. Craig, do you have any other examples of place names that incorporate 'eu/ue' elements that shift in this way?
Ol an gwella,
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From: Ray Chubb
Sent: 01/16/13 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cleudh etc
Except for the 1530 example, there seems to be a shift in spelling from 'eu/ue' to 'e' 1460 onwards. So it comes down to how early the base we prefer for revived Cornish. Ken George sets his target for KK as 1500 therefore it seems even the most conservative revivalist should prefer 'e' in 'cledh'. On 15 Gen 2013, at 19:55, Craig Weatherhill wrote: > MONGLEATH: Mungluth 1308, 1350, 1530; Mongluthe 1313; Mungleoth, > Mungloeth 1316; Moungleth 1460; Monglyth 1480; Monglegh 1499; > Munglyth 1523; Mongler 1590; Mungleth 1623: Monglar 1766; Munglar > 1804. > > A bit of a mish-mash, with -u-, -eo-, -oe-, -y-, -e-, and even -a-. > -gh and -er, -ar endings are curious, too. > > Craig > > > > > On 2013 Gen 15, at 19:26, Daniel Prohaska wrote: > >> >> On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Michael Everson wrote: >> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2013, at 18:38, Daniel Prohaska <daniel at ryan- >>> prohaska.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Michael Everson wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Hewitt, Stephen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cornish texts are of course the primary basis. The point is >>>>>> that there are not enough of them. The fact that the word >>>>>> cleudh does not happen to occur in Middle Cornish texts does >>>>>> not mean that it would not have had an /œ/ vowel in that period. >>>>> >>>>> It certainly is not evidence that it *did* have that vowel. >>>> >>>> But there is. And I have provided it earlier in the form of place- >>>> names. Also ‹cledh› can only arrive at this form by way of */klœð/. >>> >>> You referred to Craig's "Cargloth" rewritten Ker Gleudhyn, >>> attested Cargluthan (and I don't know how else attested). But >>> Craig said he did not agree that there were grounds for ‹eu› in >>> this word: >> >> >> Yes, and how about ‹Mongleath› which was earlier written >> ‹Mungloeth›? It just shows that an earlier rounded vowel was >> unrounded to /e:/, so it's quite reasonable to assume that the >> older rounded already had a fronted quality, which means it was / >> œ:/ in this case… >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Spellyans mailing list >> Spellyans at kernowek.net >> http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Spellyans mailing list > Spellyans at kernowek.net > http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net Ray Chubb Portreth Kernow Agan Tavas web site: www.agantavas.com _______________________________________________ Spellyans mailing list Spellyans at kernowek.net http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net
Dr. Jon Mills,
University of Kent
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