[Spellyans] cledh etc

Chris Parkinson brynbow at btinternet.com
Thu Jan 17 08:22:12 GMT 2013


Dan, Sorry, I missed this one on Monday. <u> is pronounced long or short /i/ throughout Wales. The only difference between NW and SW is that there is often (visible) lip-rounding in NW speakers so that 'llu' and 'lli' are not homonyms in many areas up here.
Chris
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Prohaska 
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc


  So Welsh orthography derogates against speakers of Southern Welsh dialects where ‹u›, too, is pronounced /i/?
  Dan




  On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jon Mills wrote:



    Pronouncing <u> as [iː]~[i] is counter-intuitive. Such prescription is not helpful to learners of RLC and derogates against the RLC community.
    Ol an gwella,
    Jon



      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Michael Everson
      Sent: 01/13/13 05:12 PM
      To: Standard Cornish discussion list
      Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc


 
On 13 Jan 2013, at 10:07, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com> wrote: 

> I'm glad you didn't opt for /ue/ which would have been even further from what I would like for Late Cornish. It is the presence of the letter /u/ that causes pronunciation problems. I know this debate is about spelling, but lurking in the background is pronunciation, about which we have no direct evidence. Is it fair that Late Cornish learners have a harder job than Middle Cornish learners in reconciling what they see with what comes out of their mouths? 

That is why we distinguish ‹u› which is pronounced [iː]~[i] in Late Cornish from ‹û›/‹ù› which is pronounced [uː]~[ʊ] in Late Cornish. 

I know ‹u› looks different from the ‹î› you might be familiar with, but the rules for pronunciation are designed to help in any case. 

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ 


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