[Spellyans] cledh etc

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Thu Jan 17 13:45:02 GMT 2013


Chris, 
Thanks, yes I am aware of that. I didn't mean that W ‹u› was /y/ anywhere, but roughly /ɨ/ in the North and /i/ in the south. 
Dan


On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Chris Parkinson wrote:

> Dan, Sorry, I missed this one on Monday. <u> is pronounced long or short /i/ throughout Wales. The only difference between NW and SW is that there is often (visible) lip-rounding in NW speakers so that 'llu' and 'lli' are not homonyms in many areas up here.
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Prohaska
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc
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> So Welsh orthography derogates against speakers of Southern Welsh dialects where ‹u›, too, is pronounced /i/?
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Jon Mills wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Pronouncing <u> as [iː]~[i] is counter-intuitive. Such prescription is not helpful to learners of RLC and derogates against the RLC community.
>> Ol an gwella,
>> Jon
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael Everson
>>> Sent: 01/13/13 05:12 PM
>>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 13 Jan 2013, at 10:07, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> > I'm glad you didn't opt for /ue/ which would have been even further from what I would like for Late Cornish. It is the presence of the letter /u/ that causes pronunciation problems. I know this debate is about spelling, but lurking in the background is pronunciation, about which we have no direct evidence. Is it fair that Late Cornish learners have a harder job than Middle Cornish learners in reconciling what they see with what comes out of their mouths? 
>>> 
>>> That is why we distinguish ‹u› which is pronounced [iː]~[i] in Late Cornish from ‹û›/‹ù› which is pronounced [uː]~[ʊ] in Late Cornish. 
>>> 
>>> I know ‹u› looks different from the ‹î› you might be familiar with, but the rules for pronunciation are designed to help in any case. 
>>> 
>>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ 
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