[Spellyans] cledh etc

A. J. Trim ajtrim at msn.com
Sat Jan 19 11:52:17 GMT 2013


Craig,

Thanks for that explanation.

I had always thought that Porthcurno contained Kernow as Curno(e). I did think that it was strange. Now you have explained the anomaly away. Great stuff.


Regards,

Andrew J. Trim



From: Craig Weatherhill 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:11 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

This is different.  Porthcurno doesn't contain Kernow at all.  It was originally Porthcornow (Porth Cornowe, Porthe Cornewe 1580, Porth Cornewe 1582).   This appears to be porth + an archaic plural of <corn> "horn, as <cornow>.  Revived Cornish only uses the plural <kern> for this word, much as it uses <mergh> as the plural for <margh> even though records show that there was a further plural *marghes (found in place/field-names like Goonamarris, Noon cares, Noon Veres, Halvarras). 

I think that, at Porthcurno, the name refers to the "horns" of the surrounding cliffs, where the granite formations  produce small pinnacles.


Craig




On 2013 Gen 18, at 19:08, A. J. Trim wrote:


  Craig,

  I’m sure that you are right. It’s Kair as in “hair”, and the ow is not posh high oh! but a West-country low and mellow.
  Why then Porthcurno? Has this ever been spelt Porthkairnoe, or anything like that? Why the <u>?


  Regards,

  Andrew J. Trim



  From: Craig Weatherhill 
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:05 PM
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

  Does anyone agree that Kernow is almost universally mispronounced? 

  I hear "ker" (often with the R omitted, Home Counties style) + "noe" (often rounded to 'posh' English standard).

  I'm sure it should be:  KAIR-nau.  (here the -ow would be like an American's pronunciation of -ou- in "thought")

  Craig





  On 2013 Gen 18, at 15:56, Christian Semmens wrote:


    Precisely my point, Craig.


    'eu' encourages mispronunciation even amongst those that profess to know better.


    Christian


    On 18 January 2013 15:38, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:

      Dan's courses have what I'd call exemplary pronunciation.  It's recognizably Cornish and doesn't sound like a BBC presenter trying to speak another tongue.  Which is often what I do hear.  I'm even hearing "roodh" for <rudh>  "red", from some who profess to be fluent. 

      Craig



      On 2013 Gen 18, at 15:29, e-mail kevin.blackburn1 wrote:


        On 18 January 2013 15:09, Christian Semmens <christian.semmens at gmail.com> wrote:

          One of the huge problems of learning Cornish so far has been the lack of accessibility to exemplar speakers (whoever they may be) and deficiencies in the orthographies resulting in poor pronunciation.

        I've been enjoying Dan's Desky Kernowek audio courses - though I'm not as aware of good and bad practice!



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