[Spellyans] dreath treath

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Fri Jan 25 11:37:50 GMT 2013


I tend to agree. No one says 'Bolynjy / Bolynjei' in revived Cornish  
as per the place names, do they?

On 25 Gen 2013, at 11:24, e-mail kevin.blackburn1 wrote:

> Janice wrote:
> >dreath: 1 [dr‡:†] WG, ELMS, drêath EL, m. (drethaw) Beach, strand,  
> sand, gravel, foreshore,
> >warp;d. lenki, quicksand; war an d., on shore, ashore; an dre’vôr,  
> the seaside. See drethan
>
> Isn't this just wrong - putting mutated forms in as if they are a  
> standard form? Where would it end, do we Vam for mother as well.....
>
> On 25 January 2013 10:58, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com> wrote:
> this is from his electronic (draft) dictionary - are there words in  
> later Cornish that were permanently lenited for no apparent reason  
> other than practice?
>
>
>
> dreath: 1 [dr‡:†] WG, ELMS, drêath EL, m. (drethaw) Beach, strand,  
> sand, gravel, foreshore, warp; d. lenki, quicksand; war an d., on  
> shore, ashore; an dre’vôr, the seaside. See drethan
>
>
> treath: 1 [tr‡:th] dreath, drêath x EL, treath PN, m. (trethaw)  
> Beach, strand, sand, foreshore, shore warp TR; t. lenki, quicksand
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM, e-mail kevin.blackburn1 <kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com 
> > wrote:
> Craig wrote:
> >I have no idea why he's done that.  Treth (treath) is the root, 1st  
> State noun, and dreth (dreath) the lenited 2nd State >form of it.
>
> Maybe he was following Rev Williams in his Lexicon Cornu- 
> Britannicum, who quotes mutated forms all the way through, though he  
> does usually pick up on them being a form 'used in construction', as  
> he puts it?
>
>
> On 24 January 2013 15:00, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org>  
> wrote:
> I have no idea why he's done that.  Treth (treath) is the root, 1st  
> State noun, and dreth (dreath) the lenited 2nd State form of it.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 2013 Gen 24, at 14:21, Janice Lobb wrote:
>
>> yes (not ferry)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org 
>> > wrote:
>> Both meaning "sand, strand, beach"?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 2013 Gen 23, at 22:11, Janice Lobb wrote:
>>
>> > Dick has both dreath and treath as nouns.
>> > SWF has only treth as a noun, dreth appears as a mutated adjective.
>> > Comments please
>> > Jan
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