[Spellyans] tavas

Ray Chubb ray at spyrys.org
Thu May 16 09:26:18 IST 2013


How is 'tus' rendered in Late Cornish?

On 16 Me 2013, at 09:04, Jon Mills wrote:

> Using Late Cornish spellings such as "heer" and "feer" that wouldn't  
> be a problem. The SWF is certainly less friendly to RLC learners  
> than it is to RMC learners. Is something more equitable needed?
> Ol an gwella,
> Jon
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Janice Lobb
>> Sent: 05/15/13 04:02 PM
>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] tavas
>>
>> You say "In KK melin and gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt  
>> differently for etymological reasons." A problem I have in teaching  
>> Late Cornish is explaining that "hir" and "fur" rhyme
>> Jan
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> The two cases are completely different. The Breton dialects are  
>> known and understood.
>> In the case of Cornish the spellings are all we have to go on.  
>> There are no speakers.
>> Of course standard forms of spoken languages use etymological  
>> spellings in order to arrive at hyperdialects acceptable to all.
>> In the case of Cornish, however, the question of taves is not a  
>> matter of dialect, but rather a question of how the now extinct  
>> language developed. Taves
>> is a possible etymological spelling, but so for that matter is  
>> tavas, since the expected e hardly occurs at all in the texts. We  
>> have a rule that OC oe is not unrounded in certain environments.  
>> The unstressed vowel is almost invariably
>> a and I suggest that this is a result of the labial immediately  
>> preceding. That tavas not taves was the attested form is further  
>> suggested by the plural.
>> The orthography of Breton, though interesting, is not relevant.
>> The bias against etymological spellings understandable. In KK melin  
>> and gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt differently for  
>> etymological reasons.
>> Not only does this violate the phonemic principle, it also makes  
>> learning the orthography much more difficult.
>> The SWF is a new orthography and it is a great pity that it should  
>> be burdened with the incubus of etymological (but non-phonemic  
>> spellings) taken holus
>> bolus from an orthography which has been found wanting.
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
>>
>> On 14 May 2013, at 15:13, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don’t really understand the persistent bias against etymology in  
>>> this group. My etymological orthography for Breton builds on the  
>>> interdialectal (S-SS) orthography, and works much the best of all  
>>> systems to accomodate predictable dialect reflexes with a minimum  
>>> of spelling variation.
>>
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Ray Chubb

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