[Spellyans] tavas

Daniel Prohaska daniel at ryan-prohaska.com
Thu May 16 09:29:25 IST 2013


[ti:z] "teez"

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On 16.05.2013, at 10:26, Ray Chubb <ray at spyrys.org> wrote:

> How is 'tus' rendered in Late Cornish?
> 
> On 16 Me 2013, at 09:04, Jon Mills wrote:
> 
>> Using Late Cornish spellings such as "heer" and "feer" that wouldn't be a problem. The SWF is certainly less friendly to RLC learners than it is to RMC learners. Is something more equitable needed?
>> Ol an gwella,
>> Jon
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Janice Lobb
>>> Sent: 05/15/13 04:02 PM
>>> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] tavas
>>>  
>>> You say "In KK melin and gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt differently for etymological reasons." A problem I have in teaching Late Cornish is explaining that "hir" and "fur" rhyme 
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The two cases are completely different. The Breton dialects are known and understood.
>>>> In the case of Cornish the spellings are all we have to go on. There are no speakers.
>>>> Of course standard forms of spoken languages use etymological spellings in order to arrive at hyperdialects acceptable to all.
>>>> In the case of Cornish, however, the question of taves is not a matter of dialect, but rather a question of how the now extinct language developed. Taves
>>>> is a possible etymological spelling, but so for that matter is tavas, since the expected e hardly occurs at all in the texts. We have a rule that OC oe is not unrounded in certain environments. The unstressed vowel is almost invariably
>>>> a and I suggest that this is a result of the labial immediately preceding. That tavas not taves was the attested form is further suggested by the plural.
>>>> The orthography of Breton, though interesting, is not relevant.
>>>> The bias against etymological spellings understandable. In KK melin and gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt differently for etymological reasons.
>>>> Not only does this violate the phonemic principle, it also makes learning the orthography much more difficult.
>>>> The SWF is a new orthography and it is a great pity that it should be burdened with the incubus of etymological (but non-phonemic spellings) taken holus
>>>> bolus from an orthography which has been found wanting.
>>>>  
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 15:13, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t really understand the persistent bias against etymology in this group. My etymological orthography for Breton builds on the interdialectal (S-SS) orthography, and works much the best of all systems to accomodate predictable dialect reflexes with a minimum of spelling variation.
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