[Spellyans] tavas

Janice Lobb janicelobb at gmail.com
Thu May 16 09:46:36 IST 2013


so wise men looks like tus fur but sounds like teez feer
jan


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ray Chubb <ray at spyrys.org> wrote:

> How is 'tus' rendered in Late Cornish?
>
> On 16 Me 2013, at 09:04, Jon Mills wrote:
>
> Using Late Cornish spellings such as "heer" and "feer" that wouldn't be a
> problem. The SWF is certainly less friendly to RLC learners than it is to
> RMC learners. Is something more equitable needed?
> Ol an gwella,
> Jon
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janice Lobb
> Sent: 05/15/13 04:02 PM
> To: Standard Cornish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] tavas
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> You say "In KK melin and gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt differently
> for etymological reasons." A problem I have in teaching Late Cornish is
> explaining that "hir" and "fur" rhyme
> Jan
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Nicholas Williams <njawilliams at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> The two cases are completely different. The Breton dialects are known and
>> understood.
>> In the case of Cornish the spellings are all we have to go on. There are
>> no speakers.
>> Of course standard forms of spoken languages use etymological spellings
>> in order to arrive at hyperdialects acceptable to all.
>> In the case of Cornish, however, the question of taves is not a matter of
>> dialect, but rather a question of how the now extinct language developed.
>> Taves
>> is a possible etymological spelling, but so for that matter is tavas,
>> since the expected e hardly occurs at all in the texts. We have a rule that
>> OC oe is not unrounded in certain environments. The unstressed vowel is
>> almost invariably
>> a and I suggest that this is a result of the labial immediately
>> preceding. That tavas not taves was the attested form is further suggested
>> by the plural.
>> The orthography of Breton, though interesting, is not relevant.
>> The bias against etymological spellings understandable. In KK melin and
>> gwelyn rhyme perfectly, but are spelt differently for etymological reasons.
>> Not only does this violate the phonemic principle, it also makes learning
>> the orthography much more difficult.
>> The SWF is a new orthography and it is a great pity that it should be
>> burdened with the incubus of etymological (but non-phonemic spellings)
>> taken holus
>> bolus from an orthography which has been found wanting.
>>
>> Nicholas
>>
>>
>> On 14 May 2013, at 15:13, Hewitt, Stephen wrote:
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>>
>> I don’t really understand the persistent bias against etymology in this
>> group. My etymological orthography for Breton builds on the interdialectal
>> (S-SS) orthography, and works much the best of all systems to accomodate
>> predictable dialect reflexes with a minimum of spelling variation.
>>
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