[Spellyans] The two roles of â (a-circumflex) in Kernowek Standard

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Thu Sep 19 10:57:18 IST 2013


Why has MAGA produced a new dictionary while the review is under way?  Surely it would make more sense to produce one afterwards, when the review results are known.  Unless MAGA knows something that we don't.

Craig



On 2013 Gwn 19, at 10:19, Christian Semmens wrote:

> Maga has a new SWF dictionary with IPA, but the pronunciation for RMC is pretty much KK. 
> 
> Also I note that the IPA fro both RMC and RLC seems to specify that all words with an r in them should be pronounced as fully rolled [r] with no mention of [ɹ] or [ɾ] in any words that I looked at. 
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> However, I have looked at a lot of IPA in other Cornish dictionaries after I noticed this and most seem to specify [r], so am I misunderstanding the sound of [r]? Or are we really being asked to pronounce Cornish 'r's rolled?
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> http://www.cornishdictionary.org.uk/
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> On 19 September 2013 09:22, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:
> I stand a good chance of getting the review to reintroduce <au> for personal names and loan words such as <cauns, dans, etc>.  Being the only voice for traditional Cornish on MAGA's Signage Panel, I succeeded in getting the Panel to keep <au> for archaic personal names (usually saint's names).
> 
> KK was never consistent with this.  You saw: Ostell, but also Mownan.   SWF signage will have Austel, Maunan, etc.
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> However, I'm not happy with the closed nature of this review.
> 
> Craig
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> On 2013 Gwn 18, at 21:30, Michael Everson wrote:
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> > On 16 Sep 2013, at 11:30, Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Or is it too late to change KS?
> >
> > What do you think? Here is the word-count of titles published or soon to be published in this orthography:
> >
> > Adro dhe'n Bÿs in Peswar Ugas Dëdh     7,105
> > Alys in Pow an Anethow                30,800
> > An Beybel Sans                       784,946
> > Best Goon Brèn                         2,683
> > Devocyon an Greryow                  103,601
> > Enys Tresour                          78,318
> > Flehes an Hens Horn                   68,015
> > Gwerryans an Planettys                67,872
> > Jowal Lethesow                        63,256
> > Kensa Lyver Redya                      5,430
> > Ky Teylu Baskerville                  64,323
> > Lyver Pejadow rag Kenyver Jorna        5,986
> > Whedhlow ha drollys a Gernow Goth     10,151
> > Whedhlow Kernowek                     26,952
> > [not yet published]                   72,827
> > [not yet published]                   67,021
> > [not yet published]                   42,852
> >
> > Total: 1,502,138 words.
> >
> > On top of this there is Skeul an Tavas, Desky Kernowek, and Geryow Gwir.
> >
> > So, what do you think?
> >
> > Changes to an orthography ought to be motivated to solve actual problems. For my part I do not believe that the "problem" of cân, glân, gwlân, clâv, gwâv, hâv, âls, fâls, brâs, and tâl is so great that either cån, glån, gwlån, clåv, gwåv, håv, åls, fåls, brås, and tål or cän, glän, gwlän, cläv, gwäv, häv, äls, fäls, bräs, and täl would be an improvement. I think these words are learnt easily.
> >
> > In fact, from a graphic point of view, ‹å› looks like [ɒ], and ‹ä› looks like [æ]; ‹â› is better for an alternation [ɒ]~[æ].
> >
> > Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
> >
> >
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