[Spellyans] The two roles of â (a-circumflex) in Kernowek Standard
christian.semmens at gmail.com
Thu Sep 19 13:29:28 IST 2013
In Cornish dialect I have only heard [ɹ], but then I understand you get [ɾ]
in St. Ives? I must admit I haven't heard it, but then again I haven't
heard a Cornish accent in St Ives for a good few years! That's the trouble
with only being there in the Summer. :)
It is important for a rhotic accent that these sounds are identified. KK in
it's early days specified [r]. I'll never forget Graham Sandercock trying
to pronounce Cornish words with that sound in the tapes for "Holewgh an
Lergh" that I bought in the Early 90's. I still have them somewhere.
So some people want [r] (KK) most use [ɹ] and some require the odd [ɾ].
Without precision, there will be simply guesswork.
On 19 September 2013 11:38, Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19 September 2013 11:19, Christian Semmens
> <christian.semmens at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Maga has a new SWF dictionary with IPA, but the pronunciation for RMC is
> > pretty much KK.
> That sounds like good news!
> However, on a quick perusal of their site, I was unable to find it
> (just the two PDFs of the school dictionary and the May 2012 general
> Do you have a link for me?
> (As an aside, Maga seems to have an awful habit of breaking their
> links; many is the time where I followed a link from, say, a Wikipedia
> article only to end up on an error page.)
> > Also I note that the IPA fro both RMC and RLC seems to specify that all
> > words with an r in them should be pronounced as fully rolled [r] with no
> > mention of [ɹ] or [ɾ] in any words that I looked at.
> > However, I have looked at a lot of IPA in other Cornish dictionaries
> after I
> > noticed this and most seem to specify [r], so am I misunderstanding the
> > sound of [r]? Or are we really being asked to pronounce Cornish 'r's
> As I understand it, when using IPA one generally uses the simplest
> available letter unless a distinction is necessary, so [r] is not
> uncommon for "the 'r' sound" if there is only one in the language,
> even if it's not the sound prototypically associated with the IPA [r].
> (Similarly, the English vowel of TRAP is not sometimes notated with
> [a] rather than [æ].)
> > http://www.cornishdictionary.org.uk/
> Ah, is that Maga's? I see.
> Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>
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