[Spellyans] Falmouth

Craig Weatherhill craig at agantavas.org
Mon Apr 28 18:20:54 IST 2014


I can't get it past the Signage Panel which insists on translating non-Cornish names.  Although I do win several arguments, it's still a major problem that I'm the only user of traditional Cornish on it.  They've adopted <Aberfala> and that's it.  It will not be changed.

Craig



On 2014 Ebr 28, at 17:39, Clive Baker wrote:

> I teach all my students Arwennak for Falmouth, and Wordhen for Ireland... it seemed the only sensible thing to do, and I see Wordhen being used by a lot of people now. Hopefully over time the same sensible thing will happen for Arwennak.
> Clive
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Janice Lobb <janicelobb at gmail.com> wrote:
> the Cussel is right behind you, Craig - we favour Falmeth
> Jan
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> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Craig Weatherhill <craig at agantavas.org> wrote:
> Thereby hangs the problem.  When such an invention has been in place for half a century or more, you are simply not going to get revivalists to give it up, and that covers UC/UCR users as well as KK users.
> 
> I tried, Nicholas - believe me, I tried………  In the end, I was lucky to get the slight amendment to the invention!
> 
> Craig
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> 
> 
> On 2014 Ebr 28, at 13:19, Nicholas Williams wrote:
> 
>> Preferring the attested Arwennak to the unattested (and indeed impossible) Aberfal/Aberfala is yet another example of the way in which so much of the revived language is a conlang.
>> I am thinking of such common but unattested toponyms as:
>> 
>> Pow Frynk for Frynk
>> Alban (in Lhuyd only and clearly based on the Welsh literary form yr Alban) for Scotlond (BK); the Welsh themselves say Sgotland.
>> Pow Sows, Bros Sows invented by Nance, for Pow an Sowson in Lhuyd's vocabulary in AB.
>> Iwerdhon invented by Nance, when Lhuyd has Uordhyn and Tonkin Worthen.
>> 
>> Because a form has been in use does not, in my view, give it legitimacy. 
>> Kernewek is unattested and historically unjustified, having been invented by R. Williams. The correct form should have ow or û.
>> 
>> 
>> Nicholas
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>> On 28 Apr 2014, at 12:40, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>> 
>>> However, the Signage Panel agreed that <Arwennek> was more historically valid, but wanted to continue using <Aberfal> which they felt to be well established after half a century or more of use.
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